Short & sweet guys:

#-closed an HB9 days ago(on facebook)after a solid chat tha'd make the gurus proud(lol).

Went straight to phone game(convo)& texts,but the chicc just wont F-ing qualify!!!

I tried baiting her 50 times but she just wont take it.

Either she's that savy the seduction process or she just isnt that interested.

But sshe calls and texts so I doubt it's lack of interest.

Examples of situations where she wont qualify:

Me:"So why am I so drawn to you;you're gonna have to rationalize that to me[Mystery's line]"?

HB9:"IDK,never thought of it[with a flat tone]".

Me:"Im some-what attracted to you,but there better be more to you than just good looks[another Mystery line]".

HB9:"[No reply to that text-lol]".

Me:"I dont like boring girls,so the moment you start to get boring,Im gone[said with humor of course-lol]".

HB9:"Im really boring".

I mean,WTF is going on here!!!?

This chicc just wont qualify nor respond in anway to communicate her interest.

The only SOI(IOI)I'v gotten so far is that she calls me;so there is some interest.

In essence,this' flirting with the push-pull and not giving in...but it throws me off some when Im anticipating a positive-qulifying reply to a bait question.

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She isn't attracted. Either build more attraction or next her.

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'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries

Ah, you got initial attraction but you know, that will only get you so far. After a while she wanna see that you just dont stay on the same level but also increase.

A girl sees your potential, not the stage you are at at the moment. So she sees you and extrapolates from it, assuming that this is going well and that there will be more new things to discover.

Many people fail here because they think that they ran great game and dont need any more, but when you think that you are safe, you are gonna need at least one more push.

I would say, freezeout. Or rather, not worth your time, no reciprocal seduction... Then you can find someone else to have that with. So I say, she dropped the pace and while you wait for her to either fade away or get closer, get a new one. Then you can choose if she decides to stop being retarded.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Great insight guys;Mind Hacker,you made a major point-I have to build more attraction.

How funny that I was thiking about shifting to comfort/raport stuff when I havent sufficiently attracted her yet(lol).

Ezo my main man with good inights as usual;I did initially attract her but..(lol).

I did think I was safe Ezo(because of a solid online approach)but...

But I think freezin her out at this stage will fade her out(as Ezo eluded to).

But the seduction isnt reciprocal and that shit isnt fun(lol)!!

Hey Daveed,I totally agree with you;she's fucking grounded!!

And 1 major thing I'd noticed is that her meta frame & frame control is SOLID with a capital S.

Her frame was so strong that I acatually noticed myself rushing off sentences,not pacing,speaking fast as if a machine gun sprying,fumbling words a bit,etc.!!

This is the challenge I need I guess;every guy seeking to better themselves in social situations should embrace a challenging girl.

But I definitely dont wanna get into a "warring frame" where Im deperately trying to get this chic to jump through my loop and my frame.

Im gonna run few more interesting-DHV stories over next few chats then freeze her out.

He calls,I'd assume she's interested,bored(lol)or trying to bait me into esclating.

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Basically, you got two choices. Either you push more and go back to attraction building or you lessen your attention. Either way could work but I guess that a freezeout could make her fade away.

A freezeout is best if she is attracted but starts to feel too sure about you. So build great attraction when you meet but dont push it too much to meet too often. Also, no need to go into frame control wars... You already won didnt you? I mean, just assume that you won and you will have won. She needs to see that if she was to start a war, she would lose, big. But thats just the way I do it...

Ezo

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Lol,I like your post Ezo.

No doubt that if I freeze out prematurely,I'll lose her before I even get her.

Great insight also Ezo about the target must be attracted for freeze outs to work I guess.

So F.O. is my last option until the attraction is mutual.

No frame-control wars(lol)!!!

In essence,me #-closing her would be my frame being stronger;so in reality her frame isnt that strong????

Today's Update(via text):
[I called her prior,was lot of noise on her end so I hung up and decided to text].

Me:"About to get my workout on;gotta stay fit".

HB9:"Thats good.What up"?

Me:"Checcing out my 6-pac in the mirror".

HB9:"Whats that?[They dont use the word 6-pac in reference to abs in the Caribbean]".

Me:"You kidding me(lol)???Abs".

Me:"If I were to let you run your hands across my stomach,promise me you wont faint".

No reply since(lol)...

I mean WTF!!!!

This witch keeps breaking or refuse to enter a sexual frame or qualify.

Whenevr I try shifting to a sexual vibe(via text),she fucking opts out by not replying!

She's done this about 5 times out of 6-texting sessions since we met(online).

I have better success with her via phone converation on the sex vibes.

She's not a prude at all but she just wont invest nor enter a sexual state via text.

Im baffled.

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Ah, I think I can help you out here...

What happened was... You were having a conversation and as soon as it turned flirty, she bolted.

The explanation:

She is not ready to invest yet. She feels that if she gives you a finger, you are gonna run away with her entire arm. So basically, she avoids going into those kinds of subjects with you. She accepts to keep you around but she is not ready to start any deeper relationship. When you start talking about your abs in that way she senses danger. She senses that this has gone into a sexual phase and she doesnt want that. At least not yet. You are transmitting too much interest.

Pushing it now will not get you anywhere. It will just make her run away. However, neither will FO, she will fade. If you really want this girl, make sure to stay a part of her life. She accepts you as long as you dont push her sexually or flirt with her. You need to infiltrate... Fly under the radar. You are just there and when she least expects it she starts to develop feelings for you. She didnt plan to or even want to but it happened. Why did it happen? Because you were attracting her. She wasnt aware that you were attractive. I mean. Building attraction without being obvious is what we do best isnt it.

So I suggest, no push pull, the pull is too much. Right now she is hyper sensitive. You need to make her think that it was her idea.

So chill and build attraction undercover.

It is a risk. But I think that the only way anything will happen is to enter and exit the LJBF zone...

At least, that has worked for me...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Much alpha thanks Ezo;that wa the most informative reply I'ev ever gotten on the forum in years.

I noticed she'd always cut and run whenever I tried raising her buying temp' or flirt.

But I want sure why she wouldnt invest.

Hey but Ezo,I dont want to fucking get LJBF'd,so sticcing around being the nice guy/innocent guy isnt my style.

But under the radar is key.

Lol,you're totally right about building attraction without her knowing is what I do(lol).I've always been an advocate of indirect gaming.

So I attracted her via indirect game and false disqualifiers,so I flew under her radars;I totaly get that now Ezo(thanks).

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Hey man!

You arent gonna let Her LJBF you. YOU are gonna LJBF HER!

Then once in a while you are gonna pop up like a Jack in the box and just be cool and awesome! Thats what I did.

I mean, there was this one girl that I had a thing going with and she totally wasnt willing to go there. So I just told her that we were friends and whatnot. i didnt call for a while and a few months later I just showed up, gave her a call and we went out for a beer. I repeated that for a while until I had built enough sexual tension to get into her panties... They were leather string for the ones who wanna know...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Lol,hey Ezo,you're a master mind!!!

I like the concept;for me to LJBF her.That's revoluntionary gaming.

I see what you saying;for them to LJBF the guy is problematic.

For the guy to LJBF the girl strategically-different story.

Ok,Update Ezo:

Called her toady,noisy on her end(as usual),she say she's doing her hair so she cant really hear me.

I got the hint and told her to give me a call when she's free.

She didnt call yet so...

Anyway,good advise Ezo.

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Awesome... The turn of events is not optimal but it confirms what you believe... It will take some skilled gaming to win her back over. I mean, what she needs to know is that it doesnt really matter to you.

Either she behaves like a good girl and you are all nice to her or she behaves like a bitch and you have some fun on the side while leaving her be for a little while. Just to come back and not pretend that you cared. I mean. The worst thing you can do is to get all needy and angry with her, even if she deserves it. This might even ressemble a shit test, if you get angry, you have lost. If not, you are strong.

But for the right reason. Not not angry because you dont dare to but not angry because hey, why would I be angry? I barely remember what you did. Oh, thats right, you were being annoying, yeah, maybe I should be angry but whatever. Basically it is beneath you, you agree that what she did sucks but you just dont care enough to make a big deal of it...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

There's a way past this even if she doesn't qualify so that if she backwords rationalizes it won't matter and you will have owned the frame. She may just really not be attracted to you but it's worth a shot.

Whatever answer she gives to your settup for a qualification - frame it as a positive qualification - then disqualify yourself enitrely and lead.

You: "Why am I attracted to you?"
Her: "Never thought about it."
You: "That's it. Cool, calm and collected. That's why I like you. But I can't get girls like that it doesn't work out. I never had the 'too cool for school attitude' so let's just be FBF's."
Her: "FBF's?"
You: "Face book friends."
Her: "Yea ok"
You: "Too fucking cool girl. I'm out - I think my dog just found a jalepeno pepper. Poor guy..."

Basically, she just qualified herself by not trying to qualify. She still knows that she didn't try but you still managed to give her honest value for it. Don't talk to her for like 2 days after. Show her that you were serious about what you said about just being friends. I totally agree with the idea of you LBJing her. It sounds like she could just put you in the LJBF category at this rate - so do it first.

Thanks for the great insight as usual Ezo;I'll keep yall posted.

Hey Bennn,I love your examples of framing;very witty too.

It is worth a shot(framing things a in your examples).

In fact,that should've been my way of responding from the start.

Im a true believer in fasle disqulifiers becuse they've worked for me all the time.

Lol,hey Bennn,Im totally feeling the FBF concept;very friggin' witty.

Good advise guys;sorry for the late replies,Im usually prompt.

Keep yall posted.

Im currently gaming 2 other girls so I can see this set fading away without me caring;eventhough I do wanna f-close this chicc(lol).

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