...yes, I say this humbly. I go back, I move forward, I go back, I move forward...
...or rather, I run in circles, realizing I never grew as a person.

I went into 30 different clubs and bars in the Hoboken/NYC area. Do you know what I did every single time?

...I choked, got mortally scared, walked out, and went home.

I saw the girls, in groups, beautiful as fuck...and I thought "You can never have them. Never ever ever. You suck as a person. You can't even hold a conversation".

It's been happening every single time I've went out.
It's always been happening.

I see the guys succeeding with girls, and I honestly want to fucking kill them. I want to hurt them badly, so that my own anger will go away. I'm no fucking different from them. I deserve to have girls around my arm as much as any other guy. It aint fucking right.


I really do have to be a complete piece of shit to get women. I really do. No smart, well meaning, kind, caring guy can ever get a hot woman. That seems to be the norm.

I sound like an "AFC", as this community calls it. Whatever man. The fuck do I care anymore? If getting women means I have to become a complete piece of shit human being...I'd rather wait for the right one.



I took my time reaching this conclusion. I went out. I talked to people. I found that I'd rather smash a person's face in than try to form some sort of relationship.

I also think all women are cheating sluts with no sense of decency or kindness.


Prove me wrong.

Hey man,

I'm sorry to hear that your having some issues moving through the paces in the game, sometimes epically in the beginning of the journey we find our self's at a loss, don't know what to do and many times cant see our a bright future because of such a poorly light passed. So I read your post and thought I would share with you for just a second.

When I started the game the only experiences I've had with girls where those that "fell in my lap" and for the most part they weren't with the girls that I truly wanted to be with anyway. I got into the game and failed more times that I would like to remember and what I found was my biggest issue was outcome dependency, every set that I approached, I had gone into with AA, thinking, "shit don't fuck this up" and when things started out well I found my self get worse very quickly, I was putting on a show, I wasn't me, I was thinking about the rules of the social interaction and that right there is what made me fail.

Here is what I suggest, fist for the next three weeks, don't sarge... do your everyday thing in your everyday life, but, open everyone all the time I mean start a conversation with everyone around you, the guy at the store running the cash register, the middle aged soccer mom waiting in line right be hind you. any opportunity you get to chat with someone, take it.

After your three weeks, go sarge, (if you have a wing take him or any buddy you can find that will go) but don't try to close, try to fail, open as many sets as you can...at least 20 try to get shot down as fast as you can. say fucked up stuff to them, walk up to a girl and call her fat and ugly, just fail as fast as you can as many times as you can. this will do three things for you, one, it helps get rid on AA, two it's going to teach you what you can get away with, and three it takes the fear of rejection away, but most importantly...it's actually fucking FUN! it's scary at first, but by the time you open 7 sets and try to get shot down you can't help but laugh about it, by the 20-25 set is so funny, the girls pickup on what yer doing and they have fun with it too.

do those things and see where your at after this. keep me posted, try to drop a line in the field reports as well.


good luck bro

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"J, I guess yer so amazing in bed you send the girls into a transcendent state where they realize their own mortality and are shaken by the realization that their presence bears little impact on the universe, or they just realized they hate you"
-DJ_Z

how old are you dude? if you want you can come clubbin with me im goin to nyc on friday im going with some asaian girls i can critique your game

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To be invincible is unattainable without making some sacrifices"

I've read several posts where you're describing all the current situations that you've been in.

I understand that you are struggling. It goes back and forth all the time and you keep drawing the conclusion that you're going in circles, learning nothing.

You gotta change the perspectives. I don't care how many times you've failed or how scared you are. It doesn't matter at this point. You know what does matter? The fact that you, despite the failures, keep pushing yourself to go out and get some experience (no matter how little of it you get). It is still progress - but you don't see it.

Have you figured out the fact that you will be in more pain the longer you chicken out/don't push yourself enough? It's only gonna take longer to become good! It's less painful than getting brutally rejected, yes - but you will suffer longer.

So either suffer longer, with minimal experience - Or face your fears and actually do your best to improve. The best way to gain confidence is to face your fears. And we all know that confidence is one of the core properties of any PUA.

Also, quit putting yourself down.

Constructive critisizm is the key here. You've failed to realize that. Change your mindset.

Man, it is no shame in feeling bad. Everybody have their ups and downs.

I feel for you, I have gone through the same thing, feeling bad even after gaining solid game. Sometimes it just doesnt work. Then it is time to stop for a while and do something else. Because when it has gone this far, you are only fueling your own anger. You are gonna fail because you are angry and depressed, which will prove your point again and again. Break this vicious spiral. Spiral... Because it becomes worse and worse.

I didnt think that I would be the one to tell you this... But you know think less and relax...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Hey man,
Just mentioning you're only hesitating because you are second thoughting the end result of opening to the HBs.

SO FOLLOW THE 3 SECONDS RULE!!! when you spot one blink there and open. Then you won't have a choice then to try your game on her.

Afterall it takes practise to master the game so BREAK THE BARRIER!