We talk a lot about D2's (dates) because it just isn't gonna happen on the first meeting. If you're a so-so PUA, D2's are pretty much unavoidable. I'm sure, for REALLY good PUA's, they're not as critical. But for me, I've had to D2 at least 3/4's of my lays.

The problem is, once you get a date with a woman, then you're "dating" her. Unless you just come right out and tell her I NEVER want to see you again, she's gonna expect to see you again. If she senses that you've got other women you're seeing, it's even worse. If she senses she might be the only women you have going, it's a different game. But once they sense you aren't desparate for female attention...it's amazing!

This is the first time in my life where I've been in this situation. In the past, before I studied pick-up, I was a one woman man. If I was in phone game with a woman I hadn't even k-closed, I wouldn't sarge other women, using that is my convenient excuse, instead of realizing it was actually AA.

Here's where I have fallen into a trap. I've got four women I'm seeing right now. I want to see all of them again. They've all got cool characteristics and of course, none are perfect. I haven't f-closed two of them yet. I've purposely avoided f-closing too soon to avoid buyer's remorse because I want to keep that option open.

The problem is, if you keep that option open, she ends up expecting a relationship.

Here's the PUA trap that I'm realizing: If you have a few girlfriends, there is literally no time for sarging. Part of sarging means D2's. But how do you avoid having "relationships" if you go on D2's? Do you just fuck them and dump them after a D2?

I don't know what the f*** I want. I guess I'd rather be in this position than the desperate AFC who has one girl in play and she's toying with his emotions, making him jealous, etc. Iv'e been there and that can suck pretty bad too. This is a tough business either way.

I thought I wanted to be the heart breaker, but now that I'm faced with it, I really don't want to do that. I guess being a heart breaker is all part of living the life of a single PUA.

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Alphagame

iv been dealin with this as well

prior to PUA - i spent 6 of the last 8 years in monogomous seroius relationships (2 girls).

now i am f'ing 2 different girls at the same time and still sarging

in terms of heartbreaking - iv avoided this by being honest with the girl from the start - aka after day 1 and day 3 f close respectively (i was previously the typical "nice guy" so this hooking up with more than one girl repeadetly has been hard for me. The craziest thing for me was the first time in my life that i f'd 2 different girls within 16 hours- that blew my friggen mind- now i do it all week)

they have both told me they have "feelings" for me, and this was after i told them im not looking for a gf/bf relationship
iv given the explanation of being too busy, not gotten over my last relationship (bullshit), so not able to give her what she deserves in a relationship, etc.

anyways so as of now they are both cool about me hooking up with other people
(they both have a toothbrush on my sink - and know it's another girl's haha)

we'll see how long it lasts and how long i can keep it goin

but i would love to get up to the 4 count
good luck on f-closing the last 2

and there's always time to sarge dude - thats what "errands" are for haha

ACE

Ace,

From what I've seen, they ALL want a relationship whether you go over it with them logically or not. It starts with them being attracted to you. As you spend more and more time with them, the more they want you all to themselves.

And as they sense there are other women in the picture, and you're not desperate, they want exclusivity even more. They'll go thru your text messages in a hearbeat without an ounce of remorse. Don't think for a minute that your phone is safe if you leave it unattended. If she reads an emotional text to another woman, she's gonna want you're commitment that much sooner.

What's really amazing is, the first few women I "gamed" back in July/August, when I couldn't get the time of day from women, as I got into phone/text game, somehow these women were sensing that I had no other options. I never got to spend any time with them. They rejected me and it hurt bad. Now, it's the other way around. I'm the same friggin' guy, same clothes, same hair, same car, same income...only difference is I'm better at triggering their instincts.

Anyway, they're mentioning things like "relationship" on the first friggin' date. (If we do that, it's our late date with them, btw!) They are breaking all the phone/text rules I broke when I started sarging...texting me the night of the #-close...shit like that. Because their role is that of chooser, we'll let them get away with murder, because we can think logically. If we make those mistakes, we're rejected in a flash by their instincts.

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Alphagame

Yeah, I've realized myself I've gotten into the same kind of trap. Ok, first of all, my wife doesn't care that I'm out picking up women, because the idea is for it to benefit BOTH of us, as in a 3some. This girl that I HAVE picked up recently though, is a cool girl, and someone that me and my wife could potentially work something out long term with, BUT I found out last night that this new girl DOESN'T want me to be picking up girls while we're out together. Now, if my wife is out with me, I CAN pick up girls, even right in front of her. She's just too damn shy to do it herself, but she has no problem with me doing it. But this girl I picked up said last night if I want tp pick up another girl in the club, then tell her so she would just stay home. So I'm thinking, wow. I'm thinking I need to CUT BACK on the time I'm giving to this girl and pick up others, partially using the social proof I have built up between this girl and my wife being with me in these clubs.



P.S. . . . . . . . . . . lol, wives aren't immune from this stuff either. The more my wife sees attraction being built between me and other girls, like me showing her what this other girl sends me on text messages, the more sexual and affectionate my wife is getting. So, there's the jealousy factor in a way, and it's also a major DHV in her eyes too, seeing that others are wanting me.

So there's something else we can all think about too, even if it's "just" a b/f g/f relationship that you have.

Alphagame- David DeAngelo gives the simple solution to this one. He says that seeing or chatting with a woman more than twice a week puts her in "relationship" mode. So if you simple cut the dates and phonecalls down then they should get the idea that you are not exclusive to them and it also gives you time to sarge. My rule of thumb is no more than two dates and three phone calls per week.

L.A Trip- you lucky bastard.

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The trick is to make the experience unforgettable to her.
A real PUA will make every women he encounters feel like she experience something once in a lifetime.

You think so? lol