so a good buddy of mine is a hippie. has a ponytail, a beard but hes a good friend of mine. i always go to concerts with him and have been hanging with him lately during other nights as well. anyway, he is really shy and quiet. lotta awkward silence with him. and i do not think he helps me with my image socially. i have been ignoring it lately just because i dont really give a shit and i still approach sets and all that but he just stands there and doesnt do anything. is there any way around this besides ditching him? any suggestions? anyone else have these kinds of problems? -Rye

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"You're so money and you don't even know it!"

I have a friend that is just like that. Only difference is that he is quiet until i go for a close, then he tries to Amog. I would try to get him actively involved in the convo. Just try shooting a few things his way. Maybe tell a funny story about the two of you. If that dosen't work, then i would say ignore him. If you make yourself the center of the conversation, he shouldn't matter.

Help him out. Have you asked why he gets quiet and shy?

Yeah ask him if he likes getting laid..

And tell him you'll show him how to do so.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ufa-q7DcWM

yeah i tried helping him out, told him to say aynthing when that silence sets in, and to add to convos of HBs i open in my sets so he doesnt look stupid. he is just an observer at heart, after the night, he will start telling me EVERYTHING he noticed and thought and his interpretations of everyting. its good bc he points out my weaknesses and he gives me his opinions on how i did. i just wish he joined me.. he doesn really believe in this whole PUA thing.. he is the more "be yourself" mentality i think that is why he disagrees with it bc i am, being fake. and he knows me so he knows when i am fake in front of a set. fake meaning being more talkitive and all that shit.. what do you think of this situation?

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"You're so money and you don't even know it!"

That's why i don't use wings if my friend is there he's there. You're buddy seems like the type to make u feel guilty if your trying to Fake til U make it. It's Best to do it alone.

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Effort surpasses Talent, but of course I already have Talent I'm just putting Effort on Top of that

He's not a wing then. A wing is a guy that helps you to get women. He isn't holding up his end of that, so he doesn't qualify. One of my roomates keeps saying he will be my wing and I just laugh at him, because he doesn't know how to stand there, or hold a conversation, or the first thing about pick up, so there's no point in pretending. Either he's just a friend and you run your game alone (even if he is there, you can still run game by yourself), or you need to tell him to get his shit together and read up and become less of an AFC.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

dude , why would you depend on your wing ??


rule of thumb : NEVER EVER depend on your wing 100% .

wing man is just there to back you up , not to help you get the chick . Wing man is there to handle the obstacles, and DHV you.


IF YOU DEPEND ON YOUR WINGMAN , there is something wrong with you.

Having a bad wing can bring your game down though, so its better to approach your targets away from your crappy wing, that way he doesn't affect you. Otherwise you have to explain away some awkward guy as your friend and it lowers you in their view, even if you are running great game.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

Well, if your wingman is holding you back there are two things you could do. You could either try to build him up, or you could just ditch him. Ditching him as a wingman does not mean you're bad persay, but I would try to help him out. I know you already said you have tried, but maybe if you get him determined to learn by showing him results. Have him observe inconspicuously, once he sees your success he'll be more determined. If you have another friend I would also take him as a wingman just so the other one sees how to act.

This is too much drama Rye- lmao

Hes cool so hang with him for luch and have guy talk. But if you are opening sets and hes standing there like a cheap blow up doll then BAIL.

I have lots of friends and I dont bring my lunch girlfriends out at night and I dont bring my party friends to business lunches. Learn the difference. And you can NOT teach someone how to be a PUA who doesnt want to learn how to CHANGE

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"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel"

word of WISDOM


turn NEGATIVE situation in to POSTIVE.


dude. If I were you , I LL FUCKING AMOG THAT BITCH. . Yep. AMOG him . that shit is DHV.

when it comes to girls, who would they choose between you and your wingman???

and turst, girls can always see the contrast between you and your wingman. USE HIM , AMOG HIM, THIS WILL DHV YOURSELF . GIRLS WILL BE INTO YOU MORE.

this is the ALPHA RUTHLESS FRAME I been adapting since the time I been gone.

this is what I been doing, since I been gone in the fourm, I dont AMOG my wing, but I AMOG ALL THE AFC and COCKBLOCKERS IN THE CLUB , BARS.


Magic J