Thursday October 4th, 2007

So a few of us decided to go out and sarge for the first time ever. We're all pretty new at this, so why not give it a start and see what we can do as a group.

There's four of us: Serious, Neamheaglach, Showtime, and myself (C-DUB)

We meet up at this pub/sports bar and discuss a little about our lives and what we want out of this, etc. Such a dynamic group, I was actually surprised that we got along so good at the start and things just flowed from there. We got pumped up, discussed some goals we wanted to achieve, etc.

After this, we move to Stonehouse, where the hockey game is just finishing up. A lot of dudes around there, it's still early in the night. Neamheaglach talks to the bouncer for a bit (smart move) and figures when it will start to pick up. From here, I get AA, so Showtime moves in on two ladies at the bar. Opens, and continues. I get told to get out there, and I'm hesitant at first, but go over and talk for a bit until I freeze up. I'm just not good at going through routines (which I don't have) or stories... something to work on for sure. I had to bail out, but only got booted back in there right when one of the obstacles went for a smoke outside. I planted myself in her chair and just talked bullshit with this girl. No routines, nothing, just AFC talk. That's alright, just getting this night started!

Neamheaglach invites his female pivot to come hang out with us so we talk to her for a bit, she's really cool and helpful.

Leave that bar and come up to The Bank. Apparently you need a ticket for some techno dj playing there and it's $30 to get in. Fuck that, way too much.

Continue on, we get to Halo (which is a really scene/indie bar). It's now Neamheaglach and Serious who have to open a set. I was kinda hanging back a bit so I don't know how they opened, but all I know was that Neamheaglach said he crashed and burned on an opener so his night was thrown off. That was a bummer since we were all pretty stoked on our progress and everything that night so far. Serious was into a 3set with some cute girls, who eventually introduced some other girls/guys in their friends, so we had a big group going on, everyone having fun.

They wanted us to come dance, so we did. I just made the best of it and danced around like a goof and laughed the whole time. It was seriously so much fun with all of these guys tonight.

Good dynamics within everyone! I was really surprised how everything just flowed well. The girls were loving us, the guys were all jealous of us, and good times!

A few number closes, and they want us to come party again tomorrow night, so we'll see if we can use them as pre-selection.

All in all, it was a very good night for all of us, we learned a lot from it, had fun, and came out with a few new friends. That's what PUA is all about!

You guys can add to this thread on anything you noticed, or want to add about the night. I think it's good to just get everything off my mind right now before I go to sleep and forget what happened.

This was a good night for all, it had it's ups and downs I have to say. Going out with other PUAs is great, we can feed of each others energy, and I learnt way more in one night, than the weeks of reading that I have been doing. If you guys have any feedback please just come out and say it.

So as C-DUB said, we are all really new to this, none of us were ever out sarging and using any routines before. This was eye opening, like any guy with AA, I need wings to push him into situations where you either sink or swim. I think that is true for all the guys who went out.

Showtime, has some good game, a good built-in cockiness. The girls ate it up. The first set he mentioned he just walked up, said something not sure what it was, a little banter, then he was like 'Actually I came here for a drink'. Then he rolls off and gets the drink, leaving the girls in a state of 'ahh hello?' . I got to say nice tease, I thought he had bailed on C-DUB but it worked well. I noticed that these girls at the first place, I am fairly sure they were married, the rings might have been my first guess.

C-DUB, after getting over his initial AA went on to open quite a few sets, I actually saw this one chick, nearly rip off his shirt to see a tattoo, good tease on his part to hold back. If I can be so bold, a little verbal teasing and implanting with some 'You just want to touch my chest, you know this shit aint free' would have been a nice addition.

Serious, he needs 'props', he has quite a few routines that comes to him and he didn't have the props, pen, coins. I have a feeling he will put these into his pocket before he leaves tonight. He has good openers, not to much in the AA area actually from what I saw. He must have opened around 5 sets, actually I think I remember him opening a mixed 5 set very nicely.

Social Dynamic note;
I noticed one girl, I would say 'tribal leader' of this chick group, control how her group interacted, they took queues from her. Great thing was she was totally into us. She was having fun, her friends had fun. Strange dynamic.

Flash games, wow. Holy crap. The flashes and fun we had going was great. This worked well, we didn't use it according to the routine but I did notice that once that started, then there was lots more playfulness starting up and others were watching our group have fun with another, this brought others into the fold also.

Yes I crash and burnt, I totally f_cked up the routine, I think I tried to rush too much, I even think I started to stutter. I tried the, ‘My friend, his sister, blah(restart)" crash, burn. This was supposed to be, 'I got a question for you, do you think all girls have bisexual tendencies? [pause response?]You see my friend, has this sister, who he saw making out with another girl, and he is like umm umm, what do you think?'. Kinda like that( My delivery, needs work). Wow this was devastating for me. I didn't eject when I should have, but that’s alright, I know this is part of it.

This group of guys worked really well, we seemed to have a lot of fun together. We need to work on indirect openers, I found most of them were direct, we faced right into these people where we should have been on the verge of passing by.

Aww that's okay man, you'll get twice the girls the next time. You have so much potential, you're a confident speaker I have noticed.

Yeah, indirect is what we should probably aim for, they should be coming after us!

Last night was a blast. I'm glad I met those guys. We're such a dynamic group like they said, that we were easily able to work off each other.

I'm just going to talk about Halo, as that's where all the fun began

Neamheaglach opened the first set, and I had to open one as well; being our first times, I was obviously nervous. I opened up a 3 set - (which actually happened to be the set that joined us later on - with more friends), and I think it went well, I did it, and then I left casually - as I couldn't think of what else to do.

C-Dub went to open up 2 set of cuties, and I was pushed to go wing him by Neamheaglach and Showtime. That 2 set will eventually happen to have a friend that was all over C-Dub later that night

So many things happened, it was hard to keep track of. Showtime was able to neg the first 3 set I had opened (which, by now was about an 8 set - male friends mixed in), and from there, it was on.

They joined us, the 2 set (which was now a 3) joined us, and it was just a blast.

At some point, the 4 of us sat there, facing the entire bar, and then all of the sudden, the group of girls all came directly toward us and grabbed us to go dancing. As I was walking towards the dead dance floor, I looked around a bit and noticed how many guys were just looking at us, envious, it was a great feeling.

Later in the night, Neamheaglach had to leave since it was only a Thurs, and he had to work in the morning. That left myself, Showtime and C-Dub, I remember stopping at one point and just looked at the sitatuation we were in, 3 men, with a group of about 6-8 girls around us, taking pictures, having fun, having the girls from the different sets introduce themselves to each other, then introducing us, it was surreal. I know what the other people in the bar were thinking, we've all been there.

Anyways, it was great, I got a number close, I didn't even ask, nor was I even thinking about it. Last nights' goal for me was to meet these guys, hang out, and just open sets; to help me get over the nervousness. She offered me her #, and who knows, maybe we'll all end up meeting up tonight, having a group of girls is great for social proof.



Oh yea, I had to add, C-Dub made a girl twirl 3 times before he would show her his tattoo, lol

And Showtime, this guy is quick on his feet, he can talk about anything, and the girls just eat it up, they were all over him

Sounds like guys had a good time, which is the main thing but Im sure ya guys learned as well. I may be joining you guys soon and hopefully we can all learn from eath other and I will do my best to help out. Im going out tommorow (saturday oct6) and I will post a feild report for you guys. I havent sarged in a long time and its time for me to get in the groove.

Thanks dudes!!

Ok a quick lesson based on what happened to me in feild Saturady. I was gonna give you all the details but since it was a fairly uneventful night Im gonna share with a few tid bits of value.

My wing and I went to a downtown venue, a place where we frequent and always have fun. It was fairly busy when we walked in but still managed to find a place to sit down. The way my wing and I usually roll is we find a high traffic area and sit down or stand in. My wng is good at intitiating eye contact and sometimes he will open the girl and sometimes girls will open him. We just chill and lean back, open girls as they walk by. We usually focus on each other and have a great time and not pay attention to girls. If you are walking around the bar scanning, looking at girls too much, doing laps around the bar, this is not good for you social value. We just keep each other enteratained and if theres a certain girl I wanna meet, I will go and open the set. We also love to interact with the hired guns, bust on them, tease em, etc.

We chatted for a good half hour and then I seen a set I wanted to approach. It was a 3 set, two girls and one guy but the one guy and girl were obviously a couple. I watched the set from a far for a few minutes to figure out the dymanics and for sure the two were a couple and the third girl was the odd girl out. I approached with no opener in mind. Just walked up and asked how the night was, etc. I made a very common mistake with this set though. As most of you have learned, you must adress the whole group when you open, do not alienate anybody. I opened and tried too hard to engage the couple AND the single friend. This did not work in this case cuz the couple were not interested at all of what I had to say. I acually said some thing like ’you guys seem friendly, but are you shy? how come you guys are in a corner? its almost like youve misbehaved and someone has sent you to this corner’’ The dude and his gf didnt seem into me at all but the single girl was being the most receptive. The mistake I made was, I tried too hard to win over the whole group, which is what you would usually do but in this case, the couple did not care at all. They had each other, they had enough value for themselves. What I shoulda done in retrospect is, I shoulda opened the group, but soon after, I shoulda just focused on the lone girl cuz shes the odd one out, it woulda basicaly been a single set, a lone girl. The interaction lost momentum due to the fact I was talking to the couple too much when they didnt get any value from me being there, this made the interaction very clouded and it lost energy as I went along. I decided to eject when the vibe was becoming less and less fun.

I went back to my friend and a couple of other buddies showed up soon after. I chatted with them for a while, still feeling a bit deflated I got myself another drink and chilled out for a good 30 minutes. A cute 3 set of all girls walked by and I waited for them to gbet their drinks. I opened them with a basic ’hello’’ introduced myself and went into a little Thanksgiving routine. I told them this was the first year I ever made an entire Thanksgiving dinner for my mom and sister. I isolated one girl for a while and had a fun interaction. I rolled off for a bit and went to check on my friends.

This is when something kinda bizzare happens. Asd I walk through the bar some girl stops me and says she knows my dad!!. I was like, huh? she asks me if Im so and sos son, I say ’yes, how did you know?’ She then goes on telling me about how my dad used to date her mom. She knew I was the son based on my looks and I have a strong resemblense to my dad. So her and I talked for a bit, she told me how she thought my dad was a cool guy and how he treated her mom well, etc. Just so you guys know, I did not think this girl was very attractive but I stayed in the interaction just cuz of what she knew about my ole man. We talked for a while and she had to leave with her friends. I came back to my table and told my friends about what just happened. I forgot about the 3set of cute girls in the meantime. I tried to find them but they were gone. I spent the rest of the night just chillin with my friends and reflecting on the night that was. It was a decent night, lessons learned but hopfully more fullfilling nights are still to come.

Do you find it hard to open while a set is in motion?

Yeah I think you could have had better things to talk about to that couple instead of "are you guys shy, etc." and just isolate the single girl, or just talk to her for a bit. If there's a guy in a set, I usually approach them first, and ask how he knows everyone there. Then it's pretty easy, just ask them "hey do you mind if I talk to your friend for a bit?" Like you said, they didn't care about you, and were probably willing to let you talk to her..

It's all a learning experience, don't let this stuff get you down buddy.

Sets in motion are hit and miss, I usually look for eye contact as the walk towards me. If they are not looking my way at all or seem to rushing somewhere to the bathroom etc, I dont bother. Most of the time I just raise my glass and tink theirs, which seems to work as they walk by. Then you can open them easier later on since they kinda know you already.

I agree with C-Dub that I didnt have a good conversation teed up for that first 3 mixed set. Opening is still kinda a sticking point for me. Sometimes I can do it awesome and other times it bombs, Id like to get more consistant with it. Sometimes I miscalibrate the energy or I have a weak opener. One thing that Ive worked on is body language and I have that down tight!!. Always relaxed, leaning back, never in someones face, body pointing slighty away,over the shoulder, etc. I dont like opinion openers for some reason, I prefer situational ones that are funny and everyone can relate to.

I have tons and tons of real life stuff I can talk about but have problems incorporating that into the opening phase. I flow really good in comfort phase if Ive successfuly isolated a girl. I like to talk about how I was born overseas and my family moved here when I was young to start over. I talk about my experiences playing hockey growing up and tell some stories. I talk about travelling and how much I enjoy it, I been all over north america, europe and australia in the past 3 years so if the girl travels alot as well then theres no shortage of conversation.

Im not down, I didnt wanna make it seem like I was upset. Its all for fun anyways and I dont wanna take it too seriously. Part of what makes the game fun is being human and making mistakes, crashing and burning, etc. I dont call it crash and burn, I call it crash and LEARN!! Ill see you guys soon!!