I have a wing, and quite a capable one, his name is Duke. We go out sarging a lot together but one of the main problems we face are the AMOG's.

Neither of us are small and we can handle ourselves in a fight as we have proved just one week ago, i still have the black eye to show for it.

I'll diverse from the topic a bit to share the experience with you - We were in a local club but one we don't frequent so there were a few faces we didn't recognize which is always good, so we split up and started gaming the club, it takes a couple hours but eventually we have social proofed the whole place and girls are opening us now. One of the decently attractive girls came up to speak to us and Duke immediately started gaming her, i left them on there own to find another set but the place was dying out and becoming target poor. when i went back to the bar i saw a AMOG up in Dukes face and because i know that Duke is an aggressive type and has had his fair share of fights in the past, i decided to try and defuse the situation before a fight broke out but as i joined there set i felt the aggression was already high so i tried to say some calming things like we are all having fun, we don't want to ruin it and that we are all friends in this place and there is no reason to fight. i guess i didn't say the right things because the next thing i felt was a connection of bone along with a massive shock and a feeling that everything in my head just got knocked lose, yep i got headbutted (hence the black eye). directly after the Duke Planted him in his face and knocked him to the floor and that was when all the AMOG's friends started gunning for us. Now i wont bore you with the details but there were about 6 of them and 2 of us, we fought hard but eventually we had to choose to either leave with our teeth completely knocked out or still intact, we choose the later. needless to say we took no girls home with us that night or the next few nights to come.

I want to avoid this happening again because obviously disarming the AMOG and still getting the girl is the best option.

Any advice or techniques to use in this situation will be much appreciated.

Sometimes its best to just physically walk away from such guys. Saying befriending the guy can help cool things down or defuse the situation. More often than not such guys that want to pick a fight with you are jealous of you and/or feel you are stepping on their "territory" and they feel you are disrespecting them. You could always ask them why they want to fight, but that can very well escalate things and the chances they actually tell you why is slim.

Yeah i agree with jurupa. As hard as it may be the best thing do would probably just be to apologise and walk away, do it cooly and calmly trying not to look too bothered about it.

No matter what, no girl that you don't even really know yet is worth getting your face smashed in, and you never know, by looking undeterred and not clingy towards the girl she may come and find you later on. A male that gets defensive and can't keep his calm is actually unattractive to most girls. If you play it cool and walk off as if it doesn't bother you she'll see you as a much stronger guy that one that has to try and be violent to validate himself.

Thats how i'd deal with it anyway, i'll admit, it's hard, especially because a lot of guys would just want to kick his face in for talking like that to you haha, but in this case i think walking away is the best way to deal with it.

shit happens all the time. sometimes no matter what you say they're just going to want to start a fight. you have to walk away man.

Its hard only if you are a hot head yourself.

Carry fake police ID with you and flashing it is a good way to instantly defuse the situation, just offer to buy them a beer afterwards, as a reward for obedience otherwise it simmers, use this on groups when your going to get your head kicked in

Another good way which always seems to work, which I used for example last weekend in a bar when I was chatting up this guys wife and doing ...er.... certain things with her without realising he was around lol was simply giving the fight a context and making sure he didnt want to apply it to himself by initiating the fight. An example of this would be:

Hey fella look I only fight with gay guys who hit on me. (works great with total meatheads)

Regardless of what you try someone will always want to have a pop cant defuse them all, best way to think about fights in bars is it's like a bomb with a timer ticking down, whatever you do time is running out. And never strike first this saves you alot of time with the police *cough*

Shot for the reply's. I never really thought of walking away because i thought it showed lower value because I'm backing down and thus losing my alpha status, now i see that if done right walking away can actually give me higher value as long as i show that it doesn't really bother me. much appreciated to everyone i will defiantly apply this next time.

Tyler Durden wrote a lot about AMOGs and how to AMOG them.

Altough you should be carefull with these, take a look at this:
http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/ ... index.html

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