so this HB8.5 is in the laundry room in my dormitory. i was just reaing MYstery Method while tons of HBs would walk in, and i would randomly start a convo with them it was great haha especially with that cheat sheet book in front of me. anyway, im talking to this girl who has come in a few times and leaves, and comes back. she has given me a few IOIs so i wanted to mess with her and see what would happen. she was all over me in the 5 minutes i was talking to her, but i left when my clothes were done, so i never number closed. however, so i was reading my book, and nonchalantly asked
"So what do you want to be when you grow up?"
continuing to look down at my book to pretend i was really uninterested. we were the only ones in the room.

HB: that was a random question, (giggling), uhmm i want to be a therapist for high school kids.
ME:are you serious? haha
HB: yeah, why
ME: you and my ex share the same career, i'll have to introduce you to each other... i don't like you already!
HB: hey! don't judge!

this was my problem, i was not prepared for her calling me out on judging. i just answered her with "Touche" and went on in our convo. she just DLVed me for judging her, but how can i keep it neutral or turn that into a DHV? any ideas or tips, much appreciated! -Rye

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This is probably totally lame but maybe try saying "I'm hoping to go to law school and am interested in becoming a federal judge. I need all the practice I can get".

"Ha! that remind me even MORE of my ex. We always used to argue over the amount of attention she got from other guys, n how she lapped it up, n all she ever said was stop judging me!!"

- a modification of Mystery's.

haha nice nice, what does "lapped it up" mean in your context?

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Hold on-

If a guy ever put me in his "ex" category , and me and her should get together sometime I would not even respond to you.

But when she did respond she was defensive and you didnt have her, this was nothing to be proud about.

I read a few of your other posts and I think you talk down to woman more than being cocky & Funny, thats why you arent getting a good response, the girl gets up and leaves you on a couch and this other girl is tihnking " Arrogant " these arent good signs. Work on your game.

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"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel"

im still in the developmental stages of cocky funny i guess. sometimes i'm gold, others i'm not. im not a pua, i am still learning and practicing..

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Good advice, little harsh on the delivery (but hey if you cant take it from her on this forum, you have no chance out there)

Lol-fact, you just judged him haha:)

Yup i didnt know (although i have never tried) that putting a new girl in the ex catagory was a bad idea. I see what you were trying to do, dhv with that.

Just chill you dont have to pack every statement you make with DHV, Negs etc youve got plenty of time.

How does one recover? Im no expert but..ill give what i think might work

As u always do. Ignore it as if you never said anything and start talking about somthing else. U didnt blow the set you just set yourself back a little so keep going.

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Ratio theroy...

I would not have suggested that you would introduce them. I do like the part about you saying that you did not like her because of it.

When she said 'don't judge me', I would have went into role playing and become the Judge. I would have banged my gavel and started the session.

If there were good IOIs, I would have even put her in the 'witness' stand and made her testify... and then passed judgment. Sentence to cooking me food or some other tasty thing.


You certainly need to work on your inner game.... Not because of your originally post but because of your response to Chelsea.

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Recommended reading list.

Double Your Dating by DD
(This will work on your inner game)

http://www.freewebs.com/xfman/
(This will work on your outer game)

Well becareful, you are hurting woman more than "Flirting" with them. You sound like you have a lot of confidence which is a good thing, just becareful on the delivery.

I think you start out great with your openers, I just think you get a little to cut throat, relax and play with them, I think you have alot of great tools on this board to know where to go to in the next phase of your conversations.

I think you have the cocky part down you just need to learn on the "FUNNY" part and have the girl laughing.

Woman know a lot about clothes there are many openers you can use in this enviroment. We also know a lot about washing clothes.

" Hey, Im confused can you put colors with whites?"
"No silly, you always seperate them"
"well doing laundry was never my forte"
" so we know you are good at doing laundry, what else are you good at"


We love to shop by nature ( most girls) getting an opinion on your jeans, this also is a great move on getting a girl attracted to you, if she likes your style shes most likely to advance in longer conversation. It sounds cheesy but thats the whole Peacock theory, you are attracting only the girls you want to you.

And if shes hates on your style " Those are so gay" you can say " yah and your jeans are so last year babe" Or if you are ballsy " Would they be gay if they were lying on your bedroom floor" Now thats cocky.

Girls love to be picked up on, in a Cocky Funny manner, every girl does, and even if she is not into you if done properly they will remember you go home and call their girlfriend and talk about the guy she met in the laundry room.


I also think men should also start opening by asking simple cocky questions that qualify a girl. And I have seen my guy friends do these.

They obviously made eye contact with their target" I have seen this work with moving targets as well, my guy friend did this on Hollywood BLVD at a stop light.

GUY:" Do you like camping"
GIRL: Ummm sure
GUY: Hawaii or The Mountains in the winter"
GIRL: Both
GUY: That was a trick question
GIRL: didnt know I was being quizzed
GUY: DOG or Cat person?
GIRL: Both
Great "WINK" now I can hang with you.

Its just an Ice Breaker. Where you go from there depends on your game. But I have seen it work on 10's.

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"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel"

LOL!!!!! Rye u don't need my help here Chelsea's grilling u pretty good
I do agree comparing a girl to your ex is never good.

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So u think you can handle this?

LOL . . . . UMMMMMMM . . . I did JUST that with a girl I recently picked up and things are going very well with her. I said at one point on our second time together that she was like my ex and I couldn't be with her. Well, are you gonna say I got lucky? Or are you gonna say it just depends on the situation/girl/context/PUA?

Im just generally saying its usually a rule to not get into EXES in a situation where you are picking up a girl.

To me when you mention your EX it sounds like you are not over her, or you are bad at relationships. And to be honest with you, I could careless about your ex, what does that really have to do with me, because everyones favorite subject is "themselves" why do you think woman talk so fucking much!?

But when you are putting down your ex, im thinking WOW is he going to talk about me like that?

But the way you put it was there was a familiar characteristic of your ex and the new girl you were talking to, and it sounded more positive than negative. You were being general and not saying " You and my ex should get together you too would be great together, I dont like you already" which to me is plain rude.

But I generally think you should leave ex's out of a PU unless you are DHV of her, or theres a real reason to mention her.

I think theres many more ways of DHV then talking about your ex, if you call that a DHV.

I mean come on guys, when chicks mention your ex's MOST men find a different topic.

This is JUST my opinion.

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"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel"

yeah i totally hear you. you got me figured out by the way. i am very confident in myself and through my actions. my inner game is mediocre, but i am very exceptional at reading people. I am having difficulty figuring out the "funny" aspect of cocky funny bc my humor is subtle, and only certain people, mainly my good friends, think i am a funny person. the only portion of cocky/funny i kind of understand is ironic cocky funny expressions that get just a little laugh, even a smile i dont care if its anything like that it makes me feel good. so like all i have really is
like
me: "im so much better than you at ____."
HB: "i just beat you?"
me: "i dont care i am still better"

any form of this simple cocky funny works for me, but its better when you see through my gestures and body language, pauses, shit like that. sometimes i think of things that may be funny, and they very well could be, but then when i try it out i am not USE to saying it so my body language makes it the opposite of funny, but more awkward. idk if i should just read shit on cocky funny, all i know is to get in the field and practice practice practice. i need a basis to practice from though... is there anything anybody has suggestions on for practicing the cocky funny role? it'd be much appreciated. -Rye

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"You're so money and you don't even know it!"

but i always want EasyLover's opinions too

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"You're so money and you don't even know it!"

A good rule for CF is that once you establish the F in the CF and when you have a better rapport with the person you can get away with more cocky than funny.

Just remember this, they need to know (sometimes you need to make it more obvious than you think its necessary) that your joking. Dont be afraid to stick your tounge out or make stupid faces. Excessive worried faces etc..

And you can just keep switching from one to the other.

"YOU BITCH!"
"Just joking"
[rapidly kill all happy expression and replace with serious face] "not really" *THEN CRACK UP YOURSELF* just to make sure she knows it a joke!

Its all in the delivery: timing, tone (try and keep it serious but sound and look like your just about to crack up) etc.

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Ratio theroy...