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hb: i have a boyfriend

i ask a few questions about him and dig for FLAWS then i just quckly change the subject


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hb: i have a boyfriend

i ask a few questions about him and dig for FLAWS then i just quckly change the subject
i would say that this isn't the way to go. by asking questions she will know you are asking about qualities he may or may not have to compare yourself to him and prove you are a better choice.

you shouldnt care about whether she has a bf. put it into a C&F perspective.

Guise.


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i find it great that we're all human beings here. . . Fantastic.

BUT

we're straying from the topic here. . . Using morals as a crutch, Lets help this guy and actually come up with a BF Destroyer. We're here to game.


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Boyfriend Destroyers
by Harmless

First of all, it's important to notice how she brings up her BF:

If it's early in the sarge and she says, "I have a BF," this does NOT mean that it's time to do BF destroyers. This means that you did NOT attract her and that she could even be LYING to you because she doesn't want to talk to you. So... if you get this too soon, then you need to deal with more fundamental game issues first.

If she waits until later in the sarge and brings it up reluctantly, like, "Oh, I'm kinda seeing someone," then you know you're IN.


THE ULTIMATE BF DESTROYER:

Ignore it. Don't make an issue of it. The first time she brings up her BF, don't say anything more than, "That's cute." Just keep gaming her. You can break this rule later when you learn to calibrate.

If she brings it up again, there are a few techniques I have that work REALLY well to make take her BF out of her mind and put YOU in his place. (Well, at least make her forget about him for long enough to go home with you.)

They're all based on a few basic principles. Basically, you want to create a VOID in her life by letting her see that her BF is not fulfilling her needs. Then you show her that you are precisely her-void-shaped and fucking you would make everything alright.


Remember these principles:

First, if you BASH her boyfriend, she will get DEFENSIVE and support him. You've just anchored good feelings towards her BF and BAD feelings towards you. Bad idea. This even happens if SHE starts bashing her BF and you AGREE with her.

Second, if you try to convince her that you are better than her BF, the same thing will happen.

Third, if you talk about how awesome her BF is and exaggerate it to impossible proportions and talk about how they are destined to be together forever, this will cause her to re-evaluate her BF in YOUR TERMS... and be disappointed.

Fourth, if you talk about how horrible a BF YOU would be, and why she would never want to date you, she will start to relate that to HER experience with HER boyfriend. It's sometimes also effective if you do this ironically, telling her how WONDERFUL you would be and then describing all your horrible traits as if they were ideal.

Fifth, use future adventures projection to have her imagining the two of you together. Use this HEAVILY. I cannot stress this enough.

Sixth, fractionate between a joking, tongue-in-cheek, "I'm just kidding" tone and serious, "Is he kidding?" tone depending on how into you she is and how attached she still is to her BF.

Seventh, use false disqualifiers a LOT. Make excuses for why you can't be with her, especially ones that disqualify yourself. It helps if they are blatantly weak excuses. My favorite is that my other girls take up too much of my time as it is. Use these right after Future Adventures Projection too.

Eighth, just pretend that the words "I have a boyfriend" have NO MEANING at all to you. Continue as if she never said it.

Ninth, she is destined to be yours and you both know it. There is no element of NEEDINESS here.


Combine these principles (and others that I've forgotten, and anything IN10SE would care to add) and you can create your own BF Destroying material on the fly. Here are some routines that I've created while talking to girls:

(This is from a sarge with a SHB who is "kinda seeing" the manager of a trendy downtown club)

Me: "You're a lesbian, aren't you!"
Her: "I'm not a lesbian! But... er... I am kinda seeing someone. He's about this tall, dark hair [starts describing the manager, who I had seen her eating dinner with after the clubs closed the previous night]"
Me: "Well, it's a good thing that I like him."
Her: "Why?"
Me: "Well, because otherwise I'd just steal you from him, take you to a desert island, and spend a week drinking rum, sun-bathing, and skinny-dipping with you. [I could have gone on with the future adventures projection, but I decided not to.] But that will never happen. So, tell me, how long have you been 'kinda seeing' him?"
Her: "Oh, just a few weeks now."
Me: "Wow, you know, just from the way your eyes are all bright and your skin is glowing, I can tell that you are totally in love with this guy. In fact, I predict that a year from now, you will be happily married with 1.5 kids and a white picket fence." [said very tongue in cheek]
Her: "I don't want to get married, and I certainly don't want kids right now! I'm an independent woman!"
Me: "Of course you are. But he's just so perfect for you! I bet he buys you flowers every day you see him. I'm sure that he is always a perfect gentleman and never even LOOKS at another girl while the two of you are together." [note: I had been blatantly gaming girls all night, right in front of her, and getting #s.]

Other stuff to do and a general structure:

She mentions her BF and starts qualifying him somehow ("Oh, he's so X. I love him so much"). You use this when you start a FUTURE ADVENTURES PROJECTION:

"So I suppose that since I like him and I don't want to hurt his feelings and everything, we will have to conduct our moonlit tryst secretly. He must never know of our clandestine meetings."

Then you build up her BF with:

"You know what? It sounds like you guys are totally in love. I can totally tell that he's the PERFECT guy for you and you will ALWAYS be together. In fact, I bet he'll propose to you soon and you'll get married and have kids and live in a nice house with a white picket fence. And you know, I just couldn't live with myself if I ruined the rest of your life with him because he is your PERFECT BOYFRIEND."

Then she starts bashing her own boyfriend ("Well, sometimes he's mean to me. Blah blah blah") and you say,

"Well, if I was your boyfriend, I wouldn't be like that at all. I would call you three times a day JUST to find out where you were and what you were doing and who you were with. I would get mad if you didn't call me EVERY day because I would love you SOOOOO much. I would go out drinking with the guys every weekend so you could have your personal space to do whatever it is that girls do... I don't know, cooking and cleaning and such. Oh, and I would forget all our anniversaries and break up with you on valentines day."

So, the idea is:

She mentions the BF,

You ignore it.

She mentions him again,

You start three threads going:

One is future adventures projections of you and her having sex. But you use imagery that she can fantasize about (If you don't know, go read a romance novel) and disqualify yourself. ("Yeah, but that will never happen.") This raises buying temp.

The second is a thread that describes him as the ideal boyfriend so his faults are amplified. This is a DHV.

The third is a thread that describes you as a horrible boyfriend. You can do it ironically if you want. Basically, it's a DLV and a false-disqualifier.


In fact, these anti-BF techniques work so well that I use them all the time on girls that are single too. I just start talking about past relationships or the ideal guy, etc, etc. Or I start future adventures projections about our illicit meetings, running away from the paparazzi in LA, getting pictures of us kissing in the National Enquirer, etc, etc.

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:wink: XFMAN
Perfect

Am using that tonight. Have got a date with a sexy french model...still not sure how i managed it but hey,

she did mention when we first met that she was in an 'open relationship'...but...she has beenback to France for 6 weeks and I have not heard a whisper. She came back on Sunday and was ringing me on Monday wanting to meet up. I am no cassa-nova but that says to me she has been thinking about the date and she has poss split up with the 'mystery' boyfriend.

Still going to play with the PERFRECT partner lines and see how it goes.

Good advice!!


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Excellent topic chaps.

I personally am currently in the midst of destroying a boyfriend and I'm confident that eventually I'll be successful.

I'm at University so the advantage of my situation is that I can work on this and really bury the point home and I think with the long game BF destruction there's several points where the game differs..

Here's the story there's an 8 on my block with a boyfriend who she's been with a year (with a break in the middle). My basic principle with this girl is to make sure we don't let her cheat, if we (PUAs) become the guilty mistake we leave ourselves open to LMR and excuses for her to not go for you again. To make her boyfriend seem like the mistake is the key.

Use crazy push and pull, keep all your conversations flirty, make the kino constant, confident but not as forward as you'd be with 1 night bf destruction. Every escalation in your relationship with the attached HB has to be with her full compliance. Otherwise she will feel under pressure and her ASD will flare up.

What I've been doing is presenting this girl with opportunities for us to hook-up and then shutting them down myself and immediately reminding her of her boyfriend or relationship. What is helping is that I've been seeing a girl throughout freshers. I can virtually smell the jealousy. The point is that I'm showing her all the awesome fun she could be having if she was a part of my life on a more serious level, and I'm then snatching it away with a big 'But and you are so good together. When is he coming to visit again?'

This means she starts to think she's missing out on all the amazing fun I'm having and all the marvelous opportunities I'm presenting her...because of her boyfriend. She's being denied things because of her boyfriend. He's what's wrong with her life...wouldn't things be so much less restricitve with Tryst?....

Do you see where I'm coming from?


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HB : I have a bf
me : I dont tell you all my problems on the begging


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Excellent topic chaps.

I personally am currently in the midst of destroying a boyfriend and I'm confident that eventually I'll be successful.

I'm at University so the advantage of my situation is that I can work on this and really bury the point home and I think with the long game BF destruction there's several points where the game differs..

Here's the story there's an 8 on my block with a boyfriend who she's been with a year (with a break in the middle). My basic principle with this girl is to make sure we don't let her cheat, if we (PUAs) become the guilty mistake we leave ourselves open to LMR and excuses for her to not go for you again. To make her boyfriend seem like the mistake is the key.

Use crazy push and pull, keep all your conversations flirty, make the kino constant, confident but not as forward as you'd be with 1 night bf destruction. Every escalation in your relationship with the attached HB has to be with her full compliance. Otherwise she will feel under pressure and her ASD will flare up.

What I've been doing is presenting this girl with opportunities for us to hook-up and then shutting them down myself and immediately reminding her of her boyfriend or relationship. What is helping is that I've been seeing a girl throughout freshers. I can virtually smell the jealousy. The point is that I'm showing her all the awesome fun she could be having if she was a part of my life on a more serious level, and I'm then snatching it away with a big 'But and you are so good together. When is he coming to visit again?'

This means she starts to think she's missing out on all the amazing fun I'm having and all the marvelous opportunities I'm presenting her...because of her boyfriend. She's being denied things because of her boyfriend. He's what's wrong with her life...wouldn't things be so much less restricitve with Tryst?....

Do you see where I'm coming from?
That's completely golden. I can see that working like crazy. I just had a HB7 text me that her bf doesn't want me talking to her, and I'm pumped to try this.


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Nice derivation from the straw men tehnique, I'm not sure if that's the what you intended with that but rather nice. Please develop on that topic.


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Nice derivation from the straw men tehnique, I'm not sure if that's the what you intended with that but rather nice. Please develop on that topic.
Is that directed at me buddy? I don't think I've heard of the straw man technique.


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HB : I have a BF
me: Oh. How long have you had that problem?
*convo started*
(Has run me into problem tho)
....sometimes followed up with one below *want a better one* if all else fails

HB: I have a BF
Me: Want a better one?
*convo started*


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Nice derivation from the straw men tehnique, I'm not sure if that's the what you intended with that but rather nice. Please develop on that topic.
Is that directed at me buddy? I don't think I've heard of the straw man technique.
Straw man theory is basically what everyone here is describing. You build something/someone up to such ridiculous standard, that the other people in
the conversation have no alternative but to bring that someone/something
down with corrections/negative statements.

I.E "Obama is a modern day version of Jesus Christ, he
performs miracles for people!"

Anyone who heard this would have to refute it, because regardless of how you
feel about our president, he isn't some kind of supernatural force. You can
actually get rid of AMOGs and cock blocks like this too. You build them up,
whether they're right there or not, and the standards are too high for them,
they crumble under the pressure, and you don't insult them, not once.

It's also why if you put a girl on a pedestal, she'll dump you.


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This is good stuff! I will take xfman's advice. I have a question though, does the game change (meaning is there anything additional that can be done) if she invites you to her house for a small party with only a few people there among which her bf is going to be there? She just started seeing her bf about less then a month or so.

We have hung out a few times and every time we talk it's like magic. I can feel there's this connection between us. I DHV like crazy, constantly make her laugh and just show her I'm way better than anyone else she's ever been with. She knows that she is missing out by not being with me. She just needs to act on that idea, jump ship and come on board to ride with me! Any advice on what to do at the small party is appreciated!


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anyone know a good boyfriend destroyer rountine i'll even take NLP!
Ask her "Have he ever given you a oregasm?" If you tell her "I can help with that"


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Are these BF destroyer routines really necessary when you know that the girl is in a relationship, but she hardly/never mentions him? A girl I have been gaming has mentioned him a total of two times over a two month period.

It was like:

Me: Do anything fun over the weekend?

HB: Well, I blah...blah... hung out with my boyfriend...blah..blah....

Am I misinterpreting this, or are BF destoyers best used in situations where the HB is using him to say "back off "?


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shafts was probably the best up there bro lol that was funny how the guy helpedd you and u were like "i said a good one"


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