Hey guys,my 1st.post in a while.

My twin-island state Antigua & Barbuda was drenched by hurricane Earl 2 days ago and the net just got restored today.

Anyway,checc this scenario:

I've been in an up & down LTR with a MILF for over a year now.

We basically struggle for power and I've given her control 80% of times(bad idea).

Day after the hurricane,I passed by her house to make sure she was safe.

She was safe,but she was such a bitch about my visit.

I pulled up at her gate and told her to come out.

Her:"Why do u want me to come out?"

Me:"What(in a shocked tone)?"

Her:"I mean,it's wet out[lame fuccing excuse]".

Me:"I came all way over here in a power-outage to ensure your safety,least you can do is come out to me[she was standing in her door way]."

Her:"We can talk from here".

Me:"What,are you serious!!?"

Blaa,blaa,blaa....

Her:"Im not coming out".

She slams the door(lol)!!!
Im standing there fucking stupified!!

I called her like 6 times(from outside the gate)but she ignored me!!!

So I left;couldnt believe that I got played so coldly!

Note:We wer'nt fighting prior,nor was she visibly upset.

She was more in a sarcastic/bitchy mood(PMS).

Anyway,she gets away too much with this type of disrepect,because I allow her to.

With similar incident like this,I'd be the one re-initiating the chat and apologizing for her fuck-ups(like a wuss).

So I essentially spoiled her by rewarding her for bad behavior(a no-no).

I plan on punishing her by freezing her out.

I started freezing her out(no contact)for 3 days now.

My objective is to get her to #1,apologize for her ungrateful attitude,and 2ndly,learn that she cannot keep devaluing me and get away with it.

I think freezing her out is best option.

Feedbacc needed guys.

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Hey man! Glad you made it safely out of that hurricane!

My response to your story would be... Two words...

Her Loss!

It is, shes being a bitch to you and why should you take it. The only time I take shit is when I have done something wrong. You ahvent, you have been supernice and she shits all over it, unless she apologies, I wouldnt see her anymore.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Lol,I love your responses Ezo.

I'd definitely rate you in the top #3 advisors on the forum.

You'd actually advied me on numerous posts concerning this same MILF and same LTR.

I know you're fair & impartial because in past,you'd advised me to re-initiate the chat with her(becasue I'd been wrong for the incident).

This time,you advise is to freeze her out(since I didnt do shit wrong).

Basically,we're on same page here:unless she aplogizes,freeze her out or be done with her

Thanks for the well wishes(post-hurricane).

BTW,I know this sounds AFC'ish for a seasoned guy like me to say,but my only fear about freezing her out,is that she may eventually screw around or pursue another guy.

That fear has always drove me to submission and wussing out by calling or going to see her,depite her being at major fault and dead-fucking wrong.

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Remember this, if they want to cheat, they will. Nothing you can do will stop them from cheating. Plus, I would rather them cheat sooner than later, so I can kick their ass to the curb sooner.

Good advise The Last Wolf.

Just last night I was dwelling a bit on that concept:better now than later-as far as cheating goes.

I think I'd rather be cheated on a downturn in a relationship opposed to on a high point when everything seems to be going great.

But it's been about day 4 of me freezing her ass out,yet she still hasnt contacted me(lol)!

Im a bit fuccing frustrated and worried that she can hold out so long.

We've been through similar cases where in the aftermath(make-up),she'd admit dying to call me,writing texts but deleting them last moment,etc.

But it's 4 damn days of freeze outs and she's being strong(by not caving and contacting me)despite being wrong(lol)!!!

I do get a strong urge to call her and say,"Babes,lets cut the BS.I wanna see you later".

But that'd be rewarding her bad behavior to the fullest and SPAM my power & pride.

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Wow... My usual response would NOT be to freeze her out at all. In fact, if a woman gave me THAT much shit, it would be over between us without doubt. But I suppose breaking up isn't your goal here...

Keep freezing her out, you're doing good. However, since you come off as a sensitive and nice guy to me (correct me if I'm wrong), you could start feeling guilty soon and try to contact her.

Don't fall into this trap. This "fight" is 100 % yours and the only way you can lose is if you turn soft. She doesn't deserve your words, she doesn't deserve your presence and she does definitely not deserve your compassion in any way.

Stay strong and ignore any instincts you might have about talking to her.

Well, I mean, if shes nice to be around, do what it takes to be around her... But right now, shes not nice to be around so why would you wanna work for it. I mean, its your life and you have the right to choose whoever you want. If she stops living up to your expectations you have the right to look around for something better...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Lol,straight to the point Ezo.

With the attitudes she's given me,she' NOT that nice to be around Ezo.

Couldnt put it any better.

Now Little Panda,you're another good advisor on the forum who'd commnted on few of my past posts.

I definitely like your advise on this.

I need this right now or I'd cave(lol).

Im not a nice guy anymore Little Panda. It's just that these nice-guy tendencies would pop up in desperate times.

I usually revert bacc to wussiness in these cases where I need to be alpha.

It's funny how 'Naturals' work(lol).An associate of mines(a natural),I told him about the situation.

His exact words were,"You know what to do now,right? Operate like a rebel by not giving a fuck".

Me:"What you mean"?

Natural:"I would not go see her again.As if she doesnt exist".

In community terms;freeze her out.

This guy knows nothing about the community but he know his shit naturally!!

As you said Little Panda,I'd usually give in(after 2 days the most)driven by guilt.

I've lasted 4 & half days so far,Im on a roll here!!

I must not get soft now!

Thanks guys.

I need the encouragement and even for yall to share similar stories and how yall did.

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Could you have texted her instead of passing by her house? (unless your mobile battery was dead due to the power outage)

You may also want to consider the possibility that there was someone else in the house she didn't want you to find out about, and that's why she didn't come out.

With that said, if any woman I was in a LTR with did that, it would almost certainly be over. However if I wanted it to continue the relationship for some reason and make a point, the scenario would go something like this: wait till she texts me (even if it was 2-3 weeks later), play a little hard to get (for want of a better word), then when we finally get together ream her like there's no tomorrow, fuck her hard in every hole, bathe in the after-sex glow for a while, then get up and as I'm walking out tell her that if she ever wants to see me again learn a bit of fucking respect. This will do one of two things: ensure you never see her again, or make her realise you won't tolerate being treated badly.

(sorry for the graphic description, but if someone you're in a LTR with cares about you enough to check if you're okay after a cyclone [hurricane] it should strengthen the relationship, not be considered an inconvenience/annoyance)

You sound like a good bloke, but it sounds as if you're somehow addicted to this woman (it happens to the best of us) and that you do care about her. Break the addiction, and if you still care about her, then it's a relationship worth working for.

Good insight Foxratpig;made many good points.

I couldnt text her 'cause my smart phone battery died a day before[plus networks were down].

When she didnt want to exit the f-ing house,I actually said to her,"You seem shady tonight"?

Her:"You accusing me of something"?

So a thoughtful point Fatratpig;her attitude activated my suspicion alert.

I do want to continue the LTR,and I think that this' the prob'.

I subcommunicate to her(even verbalize)that I want this to work no matter what.

So I guess she's taken that to the head and figure no matter what she does,I'd always be there.

As far as giving her a hard fuck;I usually do that as part of make-up sex-anal punishment(lol).

Am I addicted?

You know what? I've rarely had traditional relationships in my life.

Many flings & lays ever since I entered the community.

I've met a girl who actually wanted to further it.

I dove in despite many signs.

Now Im getting screwed!!!

But it's the rarity of a LTR that has me hooked.

Plus I think having an official gf boosts my social status.

Plus a little ONE-itis.

I just dont want this chicc to keep taking me for granted.

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I'm glad you're doing well. The AFC mindset can trigger anytime, on everybody. Shit happens.

Freeze outs, however, have been my specialty since I was born. I've never given in to a freeze out, and they've ALWAYS worked perfectly. I had a thing with a cheerleader a few months back. She went on a vacation for a week or two and I texted her the day she left - wishing her a nice stay, and that we should meet up when she gets back. She never replied to that text at all. Even when she got back, she still never replied. So I froze her out. Two weeks later (yesterday), she walks up to me, tells me her phone was BROKEN and she had a new one.

So... I froze her out for nothing? It made me seem like a total asshole. Well, for some reason, things worked out. She apologized (lol?) and asked me to exchange phone numbers yet again. Now she wants me to come over to her house for a movienight. Me ignoring her was UNACCEPTABLE in her eyes (even though I was the asshole in this case).

Freezing someone out works every time, IF, the woman actually is interested in you and don't want to lose you in ANY way. This means: She could be your friend, she could be your "friend with benefits" and she could in fact be madly in love with you. It DOES NOT matter. As long as she doesn't want to lose you for whatever reason.

So if this MILF of yours actually gives the slightest crap about you - she WILL do something, eventually. What you have to make sure, is that she does the right thing and apologizes in some way or another. If she texts you saying "What's up?" or anything else that she regularly texts - it's not over yet. Don't think "She asked me what's up! I can finally stop freezing her out!!". She's just testing you. Playing with you. Taking you for granted.

Her behavior was very unacceptable (at least, I hope you see it the same way), so I wouldn't give in until she apologized.

You touched on many damn good points Little Panda.

You got me encouraged about never giving into a freeze-out.

I would've frozed out that cheerleader too[I've done it,but eventually caved and text the OYD-object of my desire like 3 more times without reply-lol].

Anyway,put your game face on with that cheerleader.

But I see how it comes down to how the girl(my MILF gf)and how she views you(me).

If she has any remaining interest,liking or whatever for me,she'll eventually come around.

If she doesnt,It's clear that she wanted break up or space bullshit(eventhough I dont crowd her).

Finally Little Panda,I can expect a "whats up text,seems like u moved on" from her.

To me,that'd be a bait to get me texting,all the while forgetting about her lack of respect,etc.

I dont want it to be a case where she texts me,we get all excited,have sex later on,then everything's forgotten.Then she'd do the same bullshit again(as she always does).

So give me a little detail or example on how you'd go about this[she eventually texting or calling]?

Should I not reply to her immediately,at all,days later...?

Play as if Im too busy?

I don want shit to be on her fuccing terms!

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You catch on quickly.

It doesn't matter how long you wait to reply... Reply as soon as you get her text if you want - it's irrelevant. There are more important things to get through at this point.

So here we go..

We both agree that she crossed the line this time. With that being said, the day she texts or calls you (doesn't matter what she says to you), tell her that her behavior was unacceptable and that she has to apologize.

It's important to tell her WHY you're pissed at her. Yes, she probably already knows why (it's kinda obvious, lol), but still tell her. Tell her exactly what she did wrong and what she needs to apologize for.

She needs to understand that you won't allow her to push you around, you won't allow her to take you for granted and you won't, under any circumstances, allow her to repeat that kind of behavior in the future. Get this through to her in whichever way you know the best. As long as she gets it.

.... Oh, and be ready with the fact that if she cannot accept this - it's over between the two of you. Unless, of course, you allow chicks to push you around like she did (which I don't believe you do after the last incident).

Cool plan Little Panda.

I dont want to come off as super -fucking emotional.

She may hit me with,"So how come you stopped talking to me,what did I do"?

My tendency would be to get upset/emotional about it,"What the hell you mean!!You think Im stupid"?

I wanna come off confidently and put it out there[what I'd stand for].

If she doesnt agree with the basics(apology,showing it more than saying it),then this LTR has to end.

She called my bluff on this few time before by saying to me,"If you're not satisfied in this relationship,you can do what you wanna do".

With that being said during an argument,fight,etc.,I never took it seriously besides geting more upset.

But by her saying that,I see that she doesnt vlaue me,nor this LTR.

Her view is,if Im not satisfied,or if I dont want to put up with her shit,break up!!

Does she mean it and want that?

I guess time(post-freeze out)will tell.

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dude I was reading this, and my instincts are telling me something's up...I think she's cheating.

If you have this beta attitude like you're saying, then it makes perfect sense to me..but I don't want to be pessimist.

I'm just saying I think any other girl would be hopping into her boyfriend's arms after that happened, but instead she stayed in.

Idk I guess you have a strong connection with this girl, but if it was me, I'd just trash it now.