I'm in a situation where I'm sarging a 9. She shows strong attraction physically and says she wants a relationship. She wants to hold hands and lets me touch her anywhere in public except for obvious tit and ass grabs. She's jealous that i'm popular with other girls. Now here's the problem: I've had four get-togethers with her and she pulls out of open mouth kisses and acts like I'm being really aggressive, and trying to rush things. I've offered her the opportunity to come back to my place and she hasn't taken the bait on that either. Perhaps I shouldn't have invited her back without intense kissing, but I wanted to make my intentions clear and also get her thinking about how fun it would be. After hitting the barrier after the good night kiss three times in a row, I'm freezing her out. I told her I would call her yesterday, and didn't. She called me last night and didn't leave a message. I'm not calling her tonight and actually will be busy and won't be able to see her until next week. How long should I freeze her out? Should I wait for her to try to contact me a few more times, or give her another shot next time she calls/texts? I don't think this is an issue of not building good attraction or being too AFC. I think she has major ASD issues, some slow-moving ideals, and is being selfish. What are some techniques for breaking her? How can I communicate that she's about to blow it without seemingly giving ultimatums or indicating that I'll sarge my other options instead? How can I manage her expectations to get an f-close while continuing with other options?

Well, David D says you have two "roads" for her to put you on. She will either put you on the "provider" road or the "lover" road. Now, if you land on the "provider" road, you don't have much chance of getting sex w/o some major commitment. If you are on the "lover" road, then you can pretty much get sex right away, and if you do actually like the girl, then you can always transition to something more long term from there. So, if you want sex, you HAVE to get on the "lover" path.

To me, it sounds like you started on the "provider" path to begin with, by what you've said here, anyway.

As for freezing her out for a week, I don't know if I would personally go that route. However, it might not be a bad idea TO show her (yes SHOW) that you DO have more options. The JEALOUSY factor man. It's VERY powerful.

Just don't overdo the jealousy factor. Sometimes it's when a girl gets jealous that it actually hits her that she wants you, and HAS to have you.

1 girl I picked up recently KNOWS . . . WITHOUT A DOUBT that I have options, and she's WILLING TO OPEN HER LEGS at ANYTIME, any night, whenever. She asks me . . . "can you come over tonight?" The words have even come out of her mouth that she KNOWS that I have my "choice of women" as she put it.

It's a powerful thing man. Use it.

you don't want to freeze her out after that kiss cause she's gonna know you want to f*ck if you want to freeze her out for a week i suggest you make the call and tell her you're gonna be busy this week, say you're not sure but you will probably call her in 4 or 5 days,

now to go from a kiss to a f*ck is not that difficult, her thing is that she doesn't want you to think she's easy like that, she wants to take her time and feel every moment of it... so the next time you're kissing her take your time, stop kissing her rest your lips on hers take a deep breath and turn your head when she asks whats wrong... say "I need to slow things down, it just feels so... right you know?" she'll wonder what's going on in that head of yours and say "I can't explain it but let me show you... trust me on this close your eyes"

-you have to do this slow and I mean slow.... put your hands on her face, your palms should rest on her chin/cheeks with your fingers barely touching above her ears... move in slow kiss her lips once and move away then move in slow kiss her twice rest your lips on hers take a deep breath kiss her again ... if you're right handed move your right hand behind her head but make sure you slip your fingers between her hair and move your fingers in a waving motion but do this slowly... very very slow... no tongue action lips only... lock your lips with her bottom lips and slip a few kisses on her right side of her chin as to allow her to kiss your cheek let her do this a few times... then kiss her neck right under the cheek bone and at times instead of kissing just breath on her skin... when you build her up... slowly stop... get a kiss in... step back and say "I could do that all night, tell me you didn't feel something..."

now this is where you want to be very slick... don't ask her if she wants to go to your apartment... tell her "lets go i want to show you something..." and just take her sit on the couch start another kissing session and when you lay on her don't go right into the f*ck take your time with that too. IT WORKS!!!!

Thanks for the advice LA Tripp and Swiftone. So I only froze her out for two days and then called her. That timing seemed about right because since, she has been really attentive and putting constant effort into keeping daily communication and suggesting that she is committed to me. Because I was out of town, I was unable to see her for a week, but reconvened with her last night. She showed me that she was mine with body language and kino. We watched a show with my hand sandwiched in between her crossed legs right at her crotch and in other BF-only such positions. I was able to kiss her several times during the night, but she still pulled out of tongue attempts. Maybe she has some issues, because this definitely seems to be a disparity. I went home early when she wanted to hang out later and didn't invite her back. Previously, I had either wanted to hang out later or tried to get her back to my place, so I thought this was in order for a Monday night. So we have plans to hang out Saturday and to carve a pumkin at my place in the next few weeks. I've got to time the acceleration so I get the F-close on Jack-O-Lantern night. This is taking a while, but I am avoiding the AFC traps of paying for things, supplicating, or giving up other sarges. I will try your kissing technique Swiftone, but prolonged kisses must be a big deal for her, so I might have to get her to a really good, private locale to pull this off. She's definitely trying to make this thing as slow as possible and I'm trying to be efficient about this without letting on. I wonder how fast the rest of her barriers with fall after I can get over this kissing thing. Any more ideas?

Hmmmm. I wouldn't wait till the pumpkin carving night to fuck close. If you can escalate before that, do it. Is this girl a virgin? You've already got your hand between her legs, so you should actually be able to fuck close ALREADY. And, if I'm understanding this right, you have not passionately kissed her yet? I don't mean frenched. You can give her a mind blowing without tongue too.

No offense man, but it sounds like you're still shaking off your AFC behavior. If so, if you're pushing through that, good job, but you need to THROW that stuff out, lol.

Yeah, I'm definitely trying to transition from AFC to PUA here. I've only been working on it the last couple months, and although I've gotten adept at easily getting number and k closes, I'm trying to advance my endgame. Passionate kissing? I would say no, but she acts like a two second kiss is huge, and would probably say yes. I realize that this sounds ridiculous and that I should already be able to get an F close, but can't figure out what I need to do. Maybe I need to neg more, since I have relaxed this approach a bit after establishing comfort. Any specific things I could try or less obvious AFC things to avoid? BTW, I don't think she is a virgin, because she confessed that she was just getting out of a relationship, but I would bet she has had less than five partners.

bro you must take your time... don't tongue kiss until she initiates it... she may have had a bad experience... some dudes don't know what they're doing and they wag their freaking tongue at a girl and it turns her off completely. if she has a bad anchor to tongue you may bring back some bad memories and turn her off completely... take your time and lip lock... kiss her cheeks her hand... kiss her kiss her kiss her... that will build sexual tension and she'll open up. i had an experience like this with a girl who didn't like oral sex... so i kissed her every where until i told her i wanted to kiss the lips between her hips... she said ok one kiss... so i kissed her inner thighs and around her pussy before i kissed her lips and when i did she was open to a little tongue and before you know it i was eating her out. The key there is to spell your name in cursive with your tongue instead of just licking away... they've never experienced anything like that..

I'm definitely not trying to jam in the tongue, she just pulls out of any kind of kissing within three seconds. I think that you are right that she has a special aversion and I need to escalate things with an oblique approach. Getting to a more private locale should help as well. I just feel like I must be doing something wrong because this is taking too long. Any non-kissing things I should try?

non kissing things... him... seems there's a comfort issue... build more comfort... take her some place alone/quite where you can talk, don't try anything even if you only meet for 30 minutes and do nothing... this way she'll see you're not just trying to get in her pants... she probably doesn't want you to think she's easy. try the cube routine...

KINO, KINO, KINO, KINO, KNO, KINO, KNO . . . . lol

Hold her. Wrap your arms around her. Caress her skin. Rub your hand over hers. Rub your hands up and down her sides. All kinds of things you do to physically escalate kino.

Right on, I feel like I'm getting great kino every minute I spend with her. I guess she just has a neurotic kissing barrier and I'll have to be patient and not make it seem like I'm trying to have sex with her too fast. We'll see what happens this weekend. Thanks for the input.

By the Way, I got that F close a few weeks ago. It took a while, but it was worthwhile.
The Jealousy factor may have worked against me this time. She was really worried about me not liking her enough because I had other options. I took my time, controlled the frame, never DLVed, sarged other girls. One night we had a sensitive conversation about family and past relationships and then her defenses fell. Crazy sex ever since. Just wanted to post an update. Cheers guys.

Nope, the jealousy factor didn't work againt you, it worked FOR you, because it gave you higher value.