so with the HB8.5 not being able to help me out this week, i emailed this girl i met who is also a tutor. same age as the HB8.5. below is the email i sent to this tutor.. which alsoi recieved IOIs, indirectly however, very subtle.. below is the email i sent to the new HB9.5

ME: "Hey HB,
I think you are the one that gave me tutor contacts a few weeks ago, but I'm not entirely sure.. I never asked for the young girl's name. If not, I was given your email address along with two others because I would like academic support in my Math 009. Currently, the one tutor I have been working with will be busy all week, and the other I feel as though was not as beneficial to begin with. In addition, I would like to schedule a few appointments, if possible, to correct my last test which was no victory. This will only be temporary, as my primary tutor has many obligations this week.."

the good thing i think i did here was when i said "i never asked the young girls name". this IS the one that gave me tutor contacts originally but i am playing that she may NOT be. therefore, the "i never asked the young girls name" i think shows her that i saw her not as an adult, but a "young girl". i do not know how she is going to interpret this, but i am eager to see. nevertheless, she will email me back with some appointments for surebc its her job, but i am interested on how she is going to react. my next objective is to pull off a Sniper Neg, maybe whip out a tissue and make her feel self conscious. ANY tips though on how to breach the tutor-student barrier(although she IS a student 2 years older) would be much appreciated. -Rye

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Who gave this guy any points is beyond me. I cant take you serioulsy. I think you are here to brag more than to learn.

*DOUCHE* And Im putting that politely.

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ok.. thanks for the tip..

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the email comes off like you are more interested in your next hw assignment/text and not missing a day of studying instead of attempting to open her....

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Yeah I agree with tech. Nowhere in there do I see anything related to picking up someone, but maybe that's just my lack of knowledge. It just seems like you're trying to get a new tutor.

the only thing i did here was call her a "young girl" which hopefully made her realize that is what i see her as, young like me.. idk i think the student teacher relationship is very unnatural, therefore any blatent attempt to open will set off a signal that i am just interested in her. i don't want that. this is even more difficult to do because not only of the ultra-sensitivity, and unprofessional mannerisms, but there is an age difference of legal and non legal drinking ages. ifyou have any tips for subtle openings, DHVs, or anything, i am open to them..

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you'd have better luck talking with her in person. even if she is tutoring you, if you are good, then you can move the conversation away from the "professional feel" she is used to when tutoring, take her out of her element where she is normally in charge. neg her, she's used to people thinking she's sooo smart and on a higher level than her.
easy negs would be about how much she studies, her good grades, etc.
throw in the idea of going out, letting her hair down, and enjoying college life

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yeah i hear you the problem is i recently failed with this other tutor in negs when she made a mistake in an informal email she wrote and i said "HB, you aren't really a blond are you?" she then started replying in the emails as formal, which totally took away all the comfort i built up to to that point.. i find that these working relationships, the HBs can become hypersensitive when they think about our intentions, and see that you are purposely trying to get out of the "formal" or "professional" mannerisms

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get her to tutor you. when setting it up, don't try anything since it's over email. when you are one on one with her, throw some stuff at her and if she responds with some IOI's then you know you can pursue it, if not then get your hw done and go find some other HB's...

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Ok I can see how some people are saying that this has nothing to do with pick up...

But wait. Were all here to help, so why bash it. I admit its hard to see what advice you could give here. And i think Rye is doing an excellent job.

Ok so here is what I can put in. Its an excellent opener in my opinion. How else are you going to find this girl without emailing her, its a good set up considering the isolation you will be put in!

It does what every opener is suppost to do.
1. DOES NOT telegraph interest to her.
2. You showed some HV with the fact that you have been picky with the quality of your tutors.
3. Neg? (fuck negs why do you need to lower her value if yours is high in the 1st place?)

Also i believe he'd post somthing like this to be critiqued! Not to show off. Not sure if it was a good move or not? Why not ask a forum full of guys with skills to help you?!

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Ratio theroy...

alright so i understand what ur saying.. she emailed me back giving me one option to be tutored but i have class during that time, and told her it would not be beneficial to skip class to get help. she is going to be out of town until monday so she only gave me one time. i asked her if she could work around this time at all and she never emailed me back so i am assuming she couldn't. in addition, i told her that this was only a temporary thing this week, bc my primary tutor (who i am still working game on) is too busy. i guess i will try to make an appointment with nher next week, my reason being i want to see if she is a better tutor. anyways, i got what ur saying but how do i build comfort if i can't neg? it will stay professional. i guess i can let things slip along the way, but i have dificultly distinguishing a neg used for HB10s and negs used for HB10 tutors, you get my drift? if i use the same material you would use in a social scene, it will come off as unprofessional and i will lose. where is the line? how can i build up comfort without sounding like im talking about myself, or TRYING to get to know her? she is also older than me. anyway i look at it, this is a VERY difficult chase which will take some tight ass game to pull off. ANY tips regarding anything, or any ideas would be helpful. this is definitely the sexiest HB i have seen at my college thus far..
-Rye
I wish Mystery would post something about picking up tutors, or women in power..

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Ok 1st of all. You know more about attraction and sexuality (scientifically) than she does.

You have the power.

Dont treat her like a someone who is better than you. Your better than her, after all shes the one being payed by you...

I dont know much about the logistical set up of your tutoring, but if you can sit next to her not oposite etc.

Then while your working just open like a normal set. Its almost too easy.

*Scribble scribble scribble*
PuA: Hey can i ask you a question [put her name in]
HB: Sure whats up?
PuA: Do you think maths is sexy?!
HB: HAha what? yes/no/why?
PuA: Yeah cus yesterday i was walking around campus and this crazy looking girl walks up to me and shes like woahh 099 maths! So sexy. And she stroked me and shit. I was like, 'cool but at the same time Woah what the fuck.' i mean im not guna complain about the times this shit happens to me but i just needed a girls opinion its been bugging me all day.
HB: haha well etc etc
PuA: awsome, so if you could pick one subject to be the sexiest one which would it be...
HB: Hmm well i guess [...]
PuA: [Erotic and JOKING tone] Hmmmmmm i know.. i just love the way [make some rediculous comment about how looking at diagrams of skeletons is super sexy and hot]


Dont over think. The best way to pick up is to just have a normal convo. I have fucked up tonnes of times because i just over think. Just talk to her!
-Always portray your attractive qualities.
-always (slowly if necessary) escalate kino.
- and stay away from negative convo while you talk about anything interesting. You can keep it sex related (if she dug that opener it will be easy) then you defo wont fall into the LJBF, but thats easy to avoid KEEP the KINO going.

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Ratio theroy...

well after the formality of her last email with everything grammatically correct, i do not think i can pull something like that off without turning on her inner alarms. i can't be blatent, it's toooo awkward man, i mean i CAN do it, but i know for a fact she will react negatively.

i know this because the first time i used a real neg, through email, the one after, she realized she was getting too informal with me and THEN wrote back in a formal email.

it started out with me being informal
"Ms. HB, yo i need help blah blah balh"

she then responded informally as well. i took the lead which was good. she was now under my control bc she saw me as more "friend-like" as oppose to a person you do business with. she THEN fucked up a tutoring time we made, and i said

"hahaha HB, you really aren't a blond are you? just a small misunderstanding, no biggie.. blah bla hbalbha"

She then repsonded with a Formal email. this was bad. that was my first REAL neg and it backfired. i am now at square one. i have an appointment with her on Friday so i will let you know how that goes.. as for you advice man, idk i think i was on the way to that position but not anymore.. othe tips and suggestions would be much appreciated. -Rye

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Ok cool i get it.

Heres what I do with chicks like this. The anal ones (somtimes turns out ironically HAHA) you have to take it slow!

She is a stiff. You need to relax her and make it less proffesional. But obviously you cant from the begining. You almost had it but i reckon your neg was a little too harsh. And very obvious that you were conveying interest (which wouldnt normally matter but since its email its totally different). So we know why you fucked up there. First of all you have to get her off her high horse.

1. When you meet, shake her hand, also use your left to clasp over it. Just that little more to make her think 'is he hitting on me?' the basic theme of this is to make her think shes 'seeing things' SO THAT SHE CAN BLAME THEM ON HER GOING CRAZY! Also (later on) you need to make sure she knows you can take all the blame.
2. Eye contact, sometimes this is hard, my old english teacher hb 7.5 who was honestly one of my best teachers i for some reason could not hold e.contact with her! She has these big blue eyes and a smile it was so hard not to look away. You gota do what my 5ft 5 little blond english teacher did to me. You have establish dominance over her. Let her know, she isnt in complete control.

So you want her to know that she isnt in control BUT its STILL IN CONTROL. If you get what i mean?

E.contact is very inner game and alot to do with believeing that it isnt awakward, because for somepeople its not. Just writing about my english teacher brings VIVID memorys of the feelings i had etc. EC is very powerful and memorable. For the next few minutes if you did it right she will be thinking about it. Glance up when your working (perhaps in a time when your working and shes just sitting there working on her own stuff) and wait for her to make EC when she does smile like you won. And carry on working still smiling.

Once you break that barrier of professionalism by doing these things you can start with a opener. Its important tho that you give her an excuse to talk to you in this way. Cus she wants to but doesnt know if she should..and there all naughty girls lol. So more situational convorsation on things like maths and what got her into tutoring in the first place to warm her up. What intrests you in maths add in things when you say this that DHV, your driven and a motivated worker etc...

As soon as all this starts its important (because of limited time) that you build rapport quickly with her. Pace and lead its called, and you start by mirroring. Rapport is hugely associated with body language. Look at the way shes sitting, is she leaning in or out. Does she have one arm on the table or none? Mirror her but dont mimic her you dont wana freak her out. Usually this happens naturally (ie when you walk with your friends and you all walk in unison). Then mimic her breathing rate. She should naturaly open up to you. Now that you have her in rapport youve finished pacing now you can lead. So once you know shes there you can slowly move into a more comfortable convo engaing body language position

Things should go smoothly from there.

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Ratio theroy...

haha nice! fucking money dude! money. i have already previously started the EC with her during our 3 prior appointments. hardcore EC and we say right next to each other once or twice during the tutoring seshs but the 3rd time we switched location to chairs instead of couches. we are still close in proximity though which is good. i will continue to maintain EC with her but ithink one thing i did not take advantage of is body language, i never really paid too much attention to it, but now i will. maybe that is my problem overall.. but i will def see what happens nad let you know what happens monday after our appointment...

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