Can anybody help me out here? Point me to one thread here that has ANYTHING to do with natural game. Most of it is an excuse to do whatever the hell you want to do or wishy washy 'read a synopsis of a self help book' but never practiced it BS.

In its place, how about a 'fly fishing category'? Not only can this forum expand its horizons but I think that a fishing category would actually be MORE HELPFUL for PU than this ridiculous topic.

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It is a forum, you ask questions people tend to answer them. How many threads have you read anyways? People seem to appreciate my thread on Body Language. If you haven't read the thread I suggest you give that a shot.

Natural game is such a ridiculously large category that you can't just have a thread for everything. What is nice about natural game is that we all are different and we use that to our advantage. If you want to be like everyone else and go the routine route, which I would assume you in particular would be a lot better off.

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I disagree, this is the category I read the most and first when I open the forum.

In this forum, there is a CATEGORY for "BODY LANGUAGE". Why post this in the "natural game" section? I have nothing against natural game. In fact, I know plenty naturals and if you've read any of my threads, I don't really prescribe to any particular school of game.

However, nobody who posts here knows anything about natural game. Most take cues from other aspects of game or some wishy washy crap that they dreamed up and merely call it "natural". Not sure if this is to boost your own egos or what but it's pretty lame and an insult to naturals the World over.

By the way, "Body Language" has been an aspect of psychology for over 100 years and it's mentioned in just about EVERY form of "game" out there. And 'natural game' is actually a very narrow category. This is where everybody who lurk this category in this forum is completely wrong. Naturals game naturally because gaming is NATURAL to them. This is the most simple form of game. And no, there is no 'learning it'. Otherwise, it would be UN-natural to the would be student wouldn't it? Not sure when this buzz word became such a big marketing hit but the way that natural game is presented in this forum is a lie.

This is true, however... you can look at it from another perspective - take John, Tom and Peter.
John and Tom are naturally good with women, they have "natural game", they don't use any PUA tricks, they knew how to game even before PUA community came up.
Peter is socially shy person and does not know how to speak to girls. So Tom and John teaches him what they know, how to be better with the girls. But again they teach not PUA, they teach what they know naturally. So in this perspective you can (Peter in this example) learn natural game. Of course like you say its not strictly natural to Peter (because he used help by John and Tom), but its still natural. There is no PUA tricks involved because John and Tom have no idea about PUA since they are naturals.
So this is whats called natural game here, not that strict quote of yours. So basicly what means natural here is "non PUA"

LOL You talked garbage on a thread without reading. Congratulations on being ignorant, you only prove to be quite stupid with such statements.

Natural game requires knowledge nothing more. Knowing who is already attracted to you and using it to your advantage. Knowing the natural parts of body language and instincts is very very important. Naturals have the advantage of instinctual perception. That is all most men need in order to do well with women. You can instill knowing these things naturally I promise. I have instilled all of the information into myself, why couldn't anyone else do that?

I disagree with putting it in the body language section because those guys are into canned routines. Using Body Language correct can give you several things to talk about. Yesterday I asked a girl working if she was ok, because she moved with a hurt back. I immediately got positive signals, a story, and an immediate rapport. I bet if we met in person I could out game you with out using one routine. In fact, I probably get more love for me being me than you do for faking who you are. I don't ever use made up stories. I don't ever demonstrate value with my clothes(I was around guys today with $5000 suits, still got checked out in my $120 outfit including shoes, necklace, bracelet, and sunglasses outfit) or stories or car or job. In fact I always do solid with out much effort. That said I have learned most of what I do. Did I have some aspects to begin with? Yes, but everyone has some positive features.

Natural Game is about observation and character, something everyone can do. It is also one of the biggest parts of natural game. Why would I not put it in a section when I feel this is the biggest part of natural game?

Your ridiculous if you think you got it or you don't. Do you think some one is born with popularity? Do you think someone is born with Wit? Do you think someone is born knowing everything? Do you think someone is born funny? NO ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING IS LEARNED. I was a shy kid when I moved to where I live. A shy 17 yr old 800 miles from home. Now I get into 4 concert venues free. I am well known where ever I go and very good with people. I am considered quite charismatic, not bad for someone who was considered a dictator manager(I was very mean) at work. I learned to be better with people just like anyone can.

LOL Body Language only been around from a psychological perspective for a 100 years? That alone shows your intellect. Etiquette (which is very body language orientated) has existed for millenniums. Men and Women have been studying it forever. Just because it isn't written in books doesn't mean it hasn't been around for ever. Body Language is far older than you will ever realize. You don't even seem to realize that most Body Language is instinctual and learning to read it is the most important part of whatever game you want to use. Not knowing a girl wants you to elevate, change, or bounce is huge.

If you want to get into a conversation with me about charisma, body language, humor, presence, and style I will most definitely teach you something. I promise that I could teach you more than a few things. In fact if you read my body language section and didn't learn a thing I will give you 10 points no questions asked. Just say I didn't learn anything, I expect you are an honest person, and I will give you the points.

If you have that big a problem with this section how about this stay off this section and you will apparently enjoy a way better life. Since it is that damaging to your self esteem maybe you should just leave this alone.

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"Natural Game" to me is "inner game" + self improvement + self created tips and tricks.

people with natural game tend to be confident within themselves. They have self-believe. their don't give a shit attitude isn't forced... they literally just live in the moment.

to me natural game is taking liberty. Do what your instincts tell you to. be creative. Strive for what you want. if you can live on your impulses then you are being natural. If this leads you on an adventure with a woman then you have natural game.

Women love romance films because they see a dominant man taking control. After all women are more submissive. It's apart of evolution. If you are decisive and take the lead. Do what you want to do and she finds that attractive, then that is natural game.

Find yourself and what comes, comes naturally.

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Watch this guys

Reading this section, including your body language thread, is how I came to my conclusion. I was pretty excited about this category when it was first created and even contributed a bit. I ignored it when I realized that it was filled with a bunch of confused newbies. Coming back to it now, I've realized that nothing has changed.
NO naturals I know wait around for girls to be attracted to them. The game, especially the 'natural' variety, is all about targeting girls that YOU ARE attracted to and creating attraction from them. What you're preaching is a method for AFC's to gain confidence prior to opening. This is the OPPOSITE of natural game.
Naturals have the advantage of dismissing perception and engaging girls as they see fit.
Really? Your post is a copy paste from a freshman year social psychology textbook. (I think I still have that textbook in storage somewhere lol . . ) Everything you wrote is a can.
Observation is an important aspect of scientific study. Character is strengthened through accepting yourself and the World you live in. Pretending that you have some sort of natural game by Googling and creating manifestos out of copy/pastes is a charade.
By the way, pain in the lower back is associated with financial worry. Pain in the upper back is associated with sadness.
Just a question . . . how old is the scientific study of psychology? Prior to its birth, I would argue that people observed psychology. "Study" is a well defined term. It would benefit you to learn its correct definition.
No . . . everything YOU know regarding game was learned. Naturals figure it out without formal on informal tutorship or "study". (Of course that would depend on your definition of the term)
You've already taught me a lot . . . although probably not in ways that you've imagined. And I came across your body language studies in college. (Possibly before you were born) It would have been nice if you added some of your own voice to the copy/paste by suggesting 'mirror' games that readers can actually practice.

I still think that the readers would benefit more through a fly fishing category.

if you didnt read my post heres something to think about:

I bet 70% of naturals have sisters. They understand how to piss off and make up with their female siblings. They know the on and off switches. They apply this to women out in the field and boom.

You must of read many a time that you neg like they are a bratty little sister.

Also many AFCs are a single child.

[this is my own interpretation for you "haters"]

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Watch this guys

I agree with Kasabi.

The subjects that might be discussed concerning natural game are already covered in other sections.

Plus, if you learn it off an internet forum, is it "natural" game anymore?

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

agreed. If you learn it it's not natural. but if you learn to be a better person and as a result women find that more attractive, then that is natural game.

If a person changes then surly your not a fake?

I think everyone learns to talk to girls. Just some people are born with the traits to express themselves more readily.

If someone is born with good looks are they a natural?

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Watch this guys

Really you learned all of that in your freshmen psychology class? Not bad. Not bad at all. Very impressed. Especially since this was a combination of probably 10 books or so. You seem to be a poor liar quite cocky and don't seem to realize that ALL BEHAVIOR IS LEARNED. This is not fiction this is fact. You have no idea how close to my behavior is to my Dad, that is learned behavior. I have put lots of twists now that I understand behavior better but there is a lot I copy about my Dad without thinking.

What I preach is being able to recognize all the signals. Since you don't seem to understand all signals that is fine. You choose a target and that is absolutely cool, but if you don't seem to realize that if a girl gives you signals most times than you are very slow. Knowing when to change a conversation or move on or elevate or whatever is the key to everything.

If you are a guy who has presence and girls notice you, all you do is make eye contact with the target notice the signals and walk over. It happens all the time. I understand your concept of taking control but at the end of the day the women chooses you, you do not choose her.

Yeah and I can tell the difference between lower back pain and stress. She had fell off her skateboard while trying to avoid getting hit by a car, congrats on proving your arrogance once again. You don't seem very in tune with body language so I understand your jealousy that is fine, but I suggest you move on from this section so that you may feel better.

If you start attracting attention with other women than you create social proof some more psychology my friend. Than you target will take note of you, with some strong eye contact you are in very quickly.

What you don't realize, is some of us would be naturals if we recognized the signals. If I understood half the body language I do now, I would have cleaned up when I was in school. You are out to be a ladies man for the ego, and that is awesome, but some of us are just looking for a cool girl to date. I am a bit of a romantic and I honestly take that as a compliment. I am also a charismatic guy who started slow, but had the tools to become a far more charismatic person.

Sorry but behavior is nothing more than habit. You can make a conscious effort to change certain aspects of yourself. Not everyone has the tools, so they have to learn, so I think it is good that I help some people with things I struggled with. Now that I understand so much I do fine with girls, but before I knew I was just unconfident AFC. Just knowing girls are attracted to you is enough to help with your inner game, and your confidence overall. Some of us had to start small and get better. Others had certain tools.


I apologize, enjoy your trolling. I do not care to go over my record or anything with girls. You seem to have your concepts and that is fine, but don't waste others time with outrageous remarks that hold no truth and only arrogance.

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First you base your 'natural' game on Social Psychology and now you're off to the races with Behavioral Psychology? This is the one of the most controlled school of psychology in history. I don't suppose you remember that Skinner put his own baby daughter in the box for months at a time to study behavior. And the point of Behavioral Psychology isn't that "behavior is learned, durh, hur, hur . . . " The point of Behavioral Psychology is that behavior can be controlled, manipulated, and predicted by controlling stimulus. This is the study that probably influenced the manuals at your job . . .and this is what the 'behavioral psychology' focused pua uses out on the field. THIS:
might wow a newbie but this alone does little for the game. And there are plenty of "twin studies" that refute your theory of "learned behavior". Look it up.
You're not even a 'natural' observer with your calculative, rudimentary focus on body language. In our little game, the point isn't to MOVE ON because the girl gives you negative signals. The point of the game is to offer her stimulus that CREATE positive responses.
You can't possibly mean this . . . shall we change this category now to "Natural AFC's"? The idea is to MAKE the girl choose you. Even without the aid of any of your "studies", every natural that I know agree on this point.
This is a topic that is completely foreign to you. Behavioral Psychology + Chiropractic Medicine. There is often an overlap between cause and effect. If you're interested, research it a bit more instead pulling skateboard stories out of the sky.
Did you just come back from an Adam Lyons boot camp? At the very least, give him some props . . .
Lol . . . don't even know where to start. Gotta laugh this out first . . .

1. You're so charismatic that you compliment yourself? LOL . . . Hey, turn around, I'll give you a tap on the back as well.

2. You're WRONG about recognizing body language leading to natural game. Do you realize that NOTHING you wrote has to do with 'natural game'? That is the point of my INITIAL POST. You copy/paste schools of psychology (much of it misunderstood) and even mention social proof (as used in schools of PU) and you compliment yourself as a 'natural'? Are you this confused with the rest of your life?

Few important points for those reading:

1. The #1 asked question in the newbie section is "This girl did ____ and ____ . . . so what do you think, does she like me? Was that an IOI?" So of course when a decent hit list of IOI's are presented, all the newbies will clap like seals. *By the way, I never wrote that I didn't like the list. The list is solid.

2. However, offering a list of IOI's as some holy grail of game is counterproductive. The idea of our game isn't to sit there like a dumb ass observing IOI's and then engaging a girl. . . .then looking for signals to whether bounce or continue. (This is laughable) The idea is to FIND THE GIRL YOU LIKE, approach her, and CREATE interest that will be demonstrated by her through body language.

3. Self boasting is counterproductive to game. Those who do this will argue that they are only this way sometimes but as our Behavioral Psychology Specialist will tell you, behavior is habitual. He does this in an anonymous forum. . . and he does this every where. If you do this, consider 'learning' your way out of it. *However, exaggerations for the purpose of humor is fun. "I am the most reputable moto taxi driver in Phnom Penh" . . . "I am the most charismatic guy around" . . .you know, things of this nature.