My main sticking point is :

I KEEP GETTING STUCK IN.......LONG GOOD CONVERSATIONS BUT HBs DO NOT IOI ME, AND ASK ME QUESTIONS. They

Common Scenario:

Open and start conversation, Im very cool, calm, collected. I mix up natural with occasional AFC chump questions. Let me clarify I game more naturally, not canned, no rehrarsed stories.. In a nutshell, I can get girls to talk but they often seem to keep talking and talking and talking about themselves---and often they are very interesting women----- and not asking anything about me and not showing any IOIs. It doesnt mean I sit there and just helplessly listen and agree and nod. I interject, ask more, inquire further on the thread, cut the thread, give an opinion, but the dynamic is that I end up being a listener.... and it happens in day or night game. And even after a long funny conversation etc, the chick sometimes has to go and just says "well it was nice talking to you, byeeee".

I know overall I may not be describing other aspects which may be the real cause, but any advice would be appreciated. I really believe form and vibe is very important and I have gotten laid with very little content in the past. In a nutshell, I want to push that internal button that makes them be ATTRACTED.

thank you

Some background---Im 38, I have been in sales for a long time. I can read people but chicks are harder!. I have decided that I dont have to put up with women that I dont think are cool or interesting and Im not gonna like every woman I talk to and vice versa. But I would love to bang them anyway

Since I started PUA techiniques, Im always trying something new. I have read a lot and summarized all of it into some massive notes that I review but I feel I should pick a few things every week and test them (I dont). So I improvise a lot so perhaps I should do less improv at 1st. I have read Mystery, Style, Juggler, Adam Lyons. I like Lyons method the best but do use gambits and tricks from all.

Body language.....hmmmmit has improved, no leaning fwd (though in loud clubs its hard to avoid). Good posture etc. I can flucutate from vivacious to very controlled body language. I avoid following them around, I avoid trying to much to look cool, I do smile but perhaps should smile more when I speak, be more Mediterranean if you will. Im still trying to learn wether to smile less or not but Im not too worried about it.

From LaRuina, I have recently started using stealth kino which u may know is frequent accidental touches and rubs during conversation. Very effective and easy.

When I cant use stealth kino, I will make myself do palm read, thumb war, ring routine. I still feel its canned and cheesy but I dont know other kino routines. High 5s, and fistbumps are easy but can be tacky and seem approval seeking.

From Juggler method, I approve of them when they make me laugh or have a cool hobby: "you are funny, I like that" or "you are creative, I dig that." But I wonder if that over boosts their ego?

I sometimes do triangular gaze, I can do C&F and call them names when it flows, disqualify myself, call them crazy, I can find out the logistics (live alone, live far, have a kid). I am known as being funny but I dont have full control of it and its harder to be funny when the chick is hotter. I also already learned the hard way that being a comedian/clown wont get me laid.

Last night, I hung out with a black girl who riffed to me about her vacations at nudist beaches, her DD tits, and other crazy shit.

This morning I met a woman at a coffeshop whom when I asked her what else she does besides work, she told me she builds robots and concots organic martini mixes.

Two days ago, I spoke for 1 hour with a HB10 who spoke endlessly about men, boning men, her looser ex, how she got knocked up at 20, her studies, STD tests, and farming.

In other words, Im not doing bad. But I know that somehow, somwhere:

A. I dont know how to smoothly intro sexual intentions after say 20 to 45 minutes of nice flowing conversation. I know there is no smoothly perhaps and that is the point of breaking rapport sexually. But I still get VERY STUCK there.

B. Because I know hot girls are all about wanting to find out if you think they are hot, I have a hard time walking the line between expressing directly I want to fuck them while not showing my cards so the balance of power doesnt shift to me chasing them and I become another of the men that chase them.

C. I become too much of a listener?

D. I still havent figure out how to turn the tables so I become chased.

E. Somewhere it I think form supercedes content to press that attraction button but I have no idea how that works.

bumpsss!

Hey maybe I can help a little! Reflex it's always great to hear there is another old fart on here like myself (late thirties). LOL! OK seriously now. I'm always amazed how many guys seem to forget about KINO! I preach it to people. Touching a woman during a normal conversation is important because it sends a subconcious signal. It sets off the boyfriend vibe if you will. It's important to come across as a sexual person early on also. When you first start talking to a girl, you want to look for any opportunity to make a very subtle sexual innuendo. Nothing that will scare her away just something light hearted. It could be as simple as a funny look on your face if she says something a little suggestive. It will let her know that you aren't afraid of sex or taking things to the next level. Women don't want to waste there time with chumps! Believe it or not they want you to succeed at seducing them. They crave it! But they aren't going to show you how. They want a guy that knows how on his own! Does this all make sense so far? I feel like I am rambling. It's simple - start talking, light hearted sexual innuendo, kino (light touch on the arm when you or her say something funny), as she gets more comfotable kino more. Even more effective is if you can manage to bounce her to another location and make it feel like you're on a mini date. That is when you start to really get into their head! This isn't something that can be said in just a few sentences.

Why are you thrown in AFC questions? And if you game naturally then you won't have this problem, as a natural will be able to build attraction for the most part no problem (you can't close every girl you meet).