this is a good story but i apologize in advance if it is too detailed. i want you guys to have as much information so you can give me suggestions on what i should have done different

last night i went to a bar with my buddy joe. it wasnt the nicest bar and there were a lot of dudes there. the only attractive girls were these 2 petite blondes that were surrounded by a group of huge guys who i assumed they came out with. one of the blondes passed us and we noticed that she was absolutely gorgeous. we knew she had to pass us again to get back to her friends so on her way back joe opened with "hey we could use a female opinion right now. we are debating who lies more men or women, what do you think?" it worked like a charm and we debated for a while. then we found out who she was there with and it was no one who was gonna kick our asses for talking to her so we continued with our pick up. we fluffed and i negged her asking her why she kept blinking so much and another time asking her what color her natural hair color was. (it was dirty blonde naturally and she was surprised i could tell she gets a little color added to it) after the negs i noticed her brushing my arm when i made her laugh and joe noticed this too so he backed off and went to the bathroom. we had been talking about our fake ids so when her friends called her over she came back a few minutes later to show me hers and we continued our conversation. joe came back and said that a girl he knew wanted to meet at a different bar giving me a good opportunity to close. i asked her if her and her friends were going out after barry's (the bar we were at) and she said she didnt know because she had to drive home a half hour away. we had a moment where we just held eye contact without saying anything and i could feel a great connection. while maintaining that eye contact i told her that i wanted her to text message me when she left. she gave me a smile and a puzzled look saying she didnt have my number. i gave it to her and i told her to call me right then so that id know who it was when she texted me. i asked for her name while saving her number. joe and i left a few minutes later.

i was drinking a good bit and at the next bar we were doing awesome talking to a lot of sets, both of us were very confident after i #closed that girl because she was the hottest girl we had probably ever spoken to. gorgeous. anyway i kinda forgot about her while i was having a great time at this new bar. on the ride back home we were analyzing our pick ups and we began talking about what i should do about the HB10 who's number i had gotten. should i text her that night or the next day?

joe convinced me i should wait and text message her in the morning in case she was asleep and saw it in the morning and brushed it off as a drunken booty call.

when i woke up this morning i couldn't remember whether or not she asked me last night for my name. i sent her a text saying:

ME "i hope you werent stuck at barry's all night... by the way your gonna have to hook me up at the saloon next time im there" (the saloon is a bar she bartends at)

HER "haha alright sounds good! how was the rest of your night?"

ME "it was histarical... we were at marios (the other bar) and these two kinda chubby girls started fighting over joe and they ended up getting thrown of of the bar"

HER "hahahaha! thats hilarious."

ME "haha it was great what did you end up doing"

HER "went to jacks after a while then i just went home"

(at this point the conversation was going decently and i felt that if she didnt know my name it might get to the point where she feels rude asking. i also thought that if she didnt know my name she would feel disconnected for me. who wants to meet up with some guy whose name she doesnt even know? so i came up with this plan that obviously didnt work)

ME "alright so this is a little quirky and ill explain in a sec but i have to ask... who did you save me as in your phone?"

HER "I didnt save it as anything yet lol"

(now im thinking if she asks for my name its an IOI so i dont tell her...)

ME "reaaaallllyyy i was just gonna say that sometimes i make up names when im talking to girls at a bar but i guess i didnt even get to give you a fake name"

she never responded to that message so im assuming it came off as weird or creepy.

NOW... what should i have done differently, where if its not obvious did i fuck up, and is there anything i can do at this point?? she was literally the hottest girl ive ever spoken to in my life.

PLEASE RIP ME APART SO I CAN LEARN!!!

The number close could have been smoother. I felt like you made too much of a big deal with it. I doubt it affected much though.

Oh and the eye contact moment is good. I'd suggest you say nothing next time. If she restarts the conversation it's an IOI.

How long ago was this? I see you say she never responded so I'm guessing it's more than a couple of days.

The name thing got out of hand there bro. You pretty much said to her that you go around at bars picking up girls all the time and giving them fake names. Sounds like you took away her trust for you probably because she didn't realise it was playful.

I would've suggested not bringing up the name at all or sliding it in a conversation eg "So Joe said: Sidney you up for cruising around town in the middle of the night blah blah" basically slip it into a dhv story or something.
Or tell her she should save it as "Sexy stud I met at bar" or something like that.

How long has it been since she didn't respond? I'll need that to see if there's anything you can do or is worth doing.

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im never that smooth with my number closes its a weak point but i havent been denied a number. any suggestions?

i was also pretty blown away that i still had here there interested in me and to tell you the truth a kiss close never even crossed my mind even though i have a pretty decent routine for that. i definitely agree that i should have hung onto the eye contact. maybe it was the drinking but i definitely lost some focus there.

and this all occurred last night.

the texting conversation lasted over about a 15 minute span at around noon today. its 9 in my time zone now. so its been about 9 hours since she hasnt responded.

thanks for the post by the way

just looked her up on facebook and found out she has a boyfriend... either way id like to hear more advise

For one thing I have no idea why you told her you wanted her to text you when she left. That's just my curiousity .

The way to make something really powerful is to help the other person to create the answer that you want. This way they think it's their idea and not yours. That way it's more powerful. I love one of mystery's number closes because of that," How can we continue this conversation." She thinks I can give you my number. Easy stuff . The trick is to end on a high note. I know the feeling where you don't want to leave but it works best when you leave her wanting more.

Cut the alcohol. That's my advice to you. Take it or leave it. Alcohol slows you down. You don't think clearly and even though your approaches may seem to have more confidence, your follow through will not be as tight.

I know the feeling of your first 10 interested . It stems from inner game issues. Nothing's wrong with it, you're probably just not confident enough yet. Closing more 10s will get you there. Just remember the stuff works because you make it work. A robot who does the same things won't get laid.

By the way, how many IOIs did you get from this one?
There are tons of reasons this chick probably didn't respond. Most of them deal with being busy etc etc. Let's deal with the tough ones.

She's got a boyfriend which makes for LMR in texting and meeting a new guy. This pretty much makes me think it's over. She'll not respond because she doesn't want to take that step that might lead to something she may really enjoy in life .

Part of me wants you to go for it. It's your first ten so why not. Be prepared though because you don't want to devote your life to this girl. Go out and have fun. Open some new sets and find some new tens. If it works it works.

Give her about a day or 2 then text her using one of the openers from text game in the forum. Personally I'd send her something like
"Aliens are coming to abduct all the good looking sexy ass people! You will be safe, I'm just texting to say goodbye"
Your goal is just to open and see if the doors are still open for you. If she responds just play with her and flirt. Keep it cool and don't get needy. Invite her and her friends to join you and your friends somewhere. Frame it so it seems you all already plan to go and they are tagging along if they come. Don't state it, frame it. Go from there. If she flakes fuck it she's probably not going to respond. Either keep her as a friend or get rid of her number.
If she doesn't respond to the text that's your signal to go move on.
If you get her there just be the PUA you want to be. If she mentions her boyfriend use a destroyer. I'd probably ignore her in a suttle way for half the night and entertain and have fun with every one else. Then go in when she starts thinking about why the sexy fun guy isn't hitting on her like every other man does .

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well said above.. I feel like the last thing you said to her was kinda creepy or just wierd.. and just cuz theres a goalie doesnt mean you cant score.. I would say go for the recovery but read on text game!

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Live Free:Die Hard

definitely just lost my focus when things were going well. i like suggesting we continue the conversation. that seems like the way to go and i will close that way next time for sure.

could i have used that lingering eye contact as the high note? or do you still stand by the opinion that i should have let it linger until she said something?

IOIs that i recall:
telling me i was good looking a few minutes into the conversation
playing with her hair
her touching my arm while she was laughing
and coming straight back after going over to her friends all the way across the bar

im thinking now that the reason she didnt text me that same night was because it would have made her feel guilty with the boyfriend at all. but im thinking it was another IOI that she never brought up her boyfriend, especially at the number exchange.

i love your alien line too and ill definitely give that a go. i have nothing to lose at this point anyway.

another question:
IF she had mentioned the boyfriend when i tried to close how would you have handled it?

and thanks for mentoring me haha

whenever a girl says anything about a boyfriend. I always leave it in their hands, I just always say that lifes to short to be living the same day in and out. What's a little fun between friends, and you never know if something between us could be better then what you have.. I love the alien line too. funny as hell

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i respect that, but at the same time this is truly an art and ive learned that there is always a way to keep things in OUR hands. that is the point afterall. its just a matter of knowing what to do or say when these situations present themselves.

please more opinions and suggestions!

Well the cool thing about this line is it leaves the power in your hands... makes her thinking your just friends, while also wanting to know what you could be like, while also not belittling her relationship with her boyfriend. has worked for me in the past several times

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A high note in a conversation is any part where both parties are having fun, are in rapport and leaving at that point would absolutely leave the other person feeling a sense of loss. The eye contact thing is your call. You had 4 IOIs and enough for a kiss close. I recommend looking at some inner game stuff on the side. You gotta up your confidence.

The alien line isn't mine. Credit goes to one of the guys from the forum. There's an entire text game thread under routines.

If she mentioned the boyfriend you could use a boyfriend destroyer. Some are brutal while some are like xghost riderx's suggestion. The thread is under routines as well. Just look for it.

Remember that pick up is an art that gives men who would normally not know what to say or do material that they can use to convey themselves. All these routines are shit if you're not secure about yourself and congruent. People can see through routines if you don't improve yourself and become congruent.
Pretty much if you have one cocky line as a routine in your entire arsenal, when you decide to use it people will see through it. This pickup stuff is all about self improvement and not just getting laid. So many guys forget that. Good luck bro. Remember go out and sarge and have fun.

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in that case i dont use a lot of c&f material so the alien line would be uncharacteristic of me. however, i do like to tease.

im definitely giving this chick way too much thought but i want to learn as much as i can from this.

i was thinking that her not responding to my text was more LMR due to the boyfriend she has yet to mention than me being creepy because the convo was getting more personal at the time and that just makes more sense. in that case maybe i havent lost her quite yet.

opinions?

The alien line would probably still work. It's up to you again. How you feel about it etc.

Part of the learning is why I'm asking you to make your decisions about the routines etc. you've got to make your decisions or you won't learn what's right and wrong.

Sidney disregard the creepy thing. Guys have fucked up much worse. In fact I don't think you messed up badly anyway. She may have lost some trust but you can rebuild. The boyfriend is a bit of a pickle though.

I'd say it's possible that she's resisting because of him. Just go for it. Second guessing will only make it harder. You'll meet more tens and girls with even better personalities. Trust me. Oneitis on a ten got me into this. I was messed up but I've learned. Now I've got one particular ten who pretty much begs for attention. But I'm still going out and having fun.

Let me know how it turns out bro. And be more sure of yourself.

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haha thanks, ill let you know.

im heading to the beach tomorrow morning so if i can still remember that this girl exists after that, ill shoot her a text this weekend.

On the mention of a boyfriend: Last week ,when a girl told me she has a boyfriend, I asked her "how long have you been thinking about dumping him". I knew it was a good thing when she started thinking about the answer.

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