The 2 Types of Men

Contrary to popular belief, there are not many types of men. Sure, we all have different interests, qualities, personalities etc....but when it comes to female attraction I believe there are only 2 types of men.

1st is the Average Frustrated Chumps and Pick Up Artists.

This is the group that most men fall under to some extent. Most men are too much of a nice guy and lack self respect when it comes to women. The smaller half of these men are pick up artists who attract women only through games, routines, stories, negs, role playing, cold reading and other ways that hide their true identity to women.

Both of these types of men fail with women. However, they fail with women in 2 different ways.

1. The “AFC” nice guy fails to attract, have sex with, or develop relationships with women. They fail at most if not everything with women.

2. The “Pick Up Artist” fails at developing relationships with women. He may attract women, sleep with women, and live a life that a nice AFC could only dream of, but still lack long term relationship potential. This is due to the fact that the PUA tends to hide himself through routines and stories (some of which are made up) that contributed to the very attraction from the woman that started the relationship to begin with!

2nd is the Alpha Male

This group consists of men who are attractive to almost every woman they encounter. They easily attract women, have sex with women and develop long term relationships with women (if they so choose to have a relationship).

People have mistakenly put Pick Up Artists on this group thinking that attraction and sex equal being successful with women. However, true success with women is attraction, sex and relationships that result from being yourself. Alpha Males truly are “being themselves”. They don’t act, do routines or anything like that to attract a woman, yet still manage to sleep with more women than most men dream of due to being a guy who has cultivated a lifestyle that is attractive.

These men are either rich, famous, high status, or great looking. The most successful “naturals” have all of these qualities.

The only thing natural about “naturals” is that women are attracted to money and looks due to the well known evolutionary reasons of survival and replication as Mystery has made known to most of the community.


However, when a guy learns this, he refuses to better himself and instead learns routines and other games used to demonstrate higher value instead of truly becoming higher value!

The solution is to become an Alpha Male with genuine value! The solution is to stop chasing women. The solution is be willing to go without women for a while to develop your looks, finances, and confidence.

Instead of faking confidence, we should become confident! Confidence isn’t something you can achieve through staying where you are at in life and telling yourself you are confident. Confidence is a result of self improvement.

I believe all men should stop being an AFC, and stop being a PUA.

I believe we should all strive to become an Alpha Male by improving our lives all together instead of chasing and gaming women. Then we kind experience the “natural” success with women.

Nice toughts! I totaly agree with putting AFC and PUA side by side. PUA is a really great thing if your stuck in era of life, or you have little luck with women or are a shy/socialy awkward person). It helps to build some confidence and put your lifestyle back on line. But it's dangerous, because it can get in your head and you loose control. I think that when you get the first successes with women via PUA material, you should stop and try to find out, which things did improve your natural state and which things are routines, that you could change in order to get quality and not quantity.

Good post, being Alpha is about being natural IMO. Sure use routines, these can be real things, excuses to interact, things to speak about etc, but don't over do it.

The PUA way is a great thing to start from, as you get more confident, expand your game, you'll get more confident, as you speak, interact with others, your sure to become more attractive.

As already stated, don't fall too into the "pua" lifestyle, because you'll end up fake.

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I think natural is a man that is great with woman, not only for his looks/wealth/power/etc but because he naturally developed the mating skill, like when guys have sex at a very young age and thus are not afraid to be very sexual around women, who in turn get that subcommunication and are attracted to them.

IRC in the old jargon there where 3 (sane) men , AFC's, Naturals and PUAS's.

AFC was mostly the generic men with varying degrees of success with women, some got laid by luck, others but very little skill, others didn't at all, and most where brainwashed by social conditioning that women where pure and thus put them on pedestals.

Natural , well what I wrote up, someone naturally good with woman for different reasons, naturals are great with them, though they generally don't know why, they are unconsciously competent, their body knows how to work them, they may understand a bit about it , but they can't condense their knowledge and teach it to someone simply because it's to natural to them, like when DD said that it would be hard for you to teach someone to breath , because is natural for you.

and PUAs, who are everyone on this forum, were once an AFC that wanted to be good with woman, and had to learn it the hard way, through experience, someone who is good with woman, but learned it, he didn't naturally came up with it early in his teens, but knows what he is doing, he completely understand what works and doesn't with woman.

That is why i don't think we AFC's can ever become Naturals, but i also think that a PUA is superior to a Natural getting women, because he understand what he is doing and thus can improve it, therefore having greater choice than a Natural.
thus a pua proves that : dedication and hard work surpass talent.

People seem to stigmatise the term "pua" and relate it to a social robot who only does routines, or never shows true emotion, but I think those so called "new naturals" (Gambler ) are but PUAs in the end, who are more direct in their aproach.

If you think that you need wealth and looks to make you a natural I have to disagree completely and utterly. They are nice additions to have but the best naturals I know don't even own cars. Have dirty ass houses. They dress solid but don't roll GQ. Confidence and knowledge is all you need to be a natural. I do think some guys are just a bit better and more natural than everyone else and always will be.

If you have to use money and looks to show your stature than chances are you are far too materialistic. If you dress solid, and go everywhere with confidence you will do just fine with the right knowledge.

One of the biggest differences between naturals and everyone else is their confidence and body language. Their ability to naturally read body language. Their ability to give someone comfort while they elevate. They make you comfortable in any situation because they are comfortable in every situation.

A natural doesn't need money to be good with girls. Most naturals are good looking guys no doubt about that. If you have style and dress right for yourself than you will be a good looking guy, just dress well and take care of yourself.

Guys are lucky we can be more attractive to a girl based off of character. I don't know of to many ugly girls that have broken that barrier for us.

Money doesn't make you a Natural. Looks don't make you a Natural. I am certainly not the best looking one of my friends(in fact the worst). A little bit heavy set. Girls like me more because of my character. I am a good looking guy, but by no means is that my selling point amongst my pretty boy friends. It was my character that helped me stand out amongst strangers.

Another one of my friends who WAS a natural. He is a intellectual pretty boy. Dresses well and makes solid money. Financially does whatever he wants. Since college though his game has dropped off. Some of this is attributed to video games. This kid is better looking than me, smarter than me, and makes more money than me. I get more girls than him and he uses online dating while I don't. He even knows he is a "better" catch than me, he has confidence. His character phucks it all up for him. He is to opinionated and to judgmental. He isn't funny enough. He is quite awkward to me.


A natural doesn't need money. A natural just takes care of himself. Walks with confidence. And knows when to elevate and when to back off. You are adding to much to it.

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AFC/PUA vs. Alpha...
or Alpha/PUA..best combo