ok guys I need some help here:

i have no problem approaching women. I also don't have a problem attracting women. But this is always just in case that i'm only interested in sex.

Whenever I actually have a real interest in a woman, i start acting diffrent. I get nervous and i lose my charm...I don't know why that happens.

Anyways.. I've met this girl at a coffee shop that i go to 3-4 times a week. She's new there and i like her a lot. Because its seems to be a familiy business and i didn't want to cause any trouble, I just handed her a piece of paper with my facebook address, a smiley and the words: "say hello"

she never did. so the next time i saw her (like 2 weeks later) i walked up to her smiling and told her: you didn't say hello!

she was like: yeah i know, i don't have facebook.. i have deleted my account. i was like: "ok, say hello now"

we talked a little bit and then she was: listen, the other reason why i didn't say hello is that i'm engaged, i just forgot to put my ring on today...

I think it's bullshit... she is throwing me a test or wants to get rid of me. I know, if she'd agree to have a coffee with me sometime, she's gonna like me, even if she doens't right now.

But I don't know how to react to that.... her claiming to be engaged... I mean.... if she really is, I'm not interested in intervening and stuff. But she is superhot and i'm very curious about her. She's not like other girls so I don't wanna give up that easy.

Sorry for the long story... anyone with advise here?

Thanks guys!

Sounds like bullshit. She forgot to wear her ring and it's the SECOND reason she didn't talk to you, the FIRST was that she doesn't have facebook? You can keep pushing and bully her into a coffee date since she probably won't have a ring on next time either, but why bother? This is already a shit ton of work, I'm sure she has a good reason not to want to give you a chance, surely there's other women that will return the interest you deserve when you approach.

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Hey Minsok,

thank you for your response!
You are probably right and this might be just a waste of time. But this girl seems to be worth the trouble, this far. It doesn't happen often, that i have this interest for a woman. It's not about sex with her.


I don't care if she likes me now, because I'm sure that, if she agrees to go out with me 1 or 2 times, she's eventually going to like me. Right now I'm just some random average looking guy who hits on her at her work.

So IF I wanna keep pushing.. how can I do this without beeing looked at as a stalker or weird?

And how can I find out, if she is really engaged or if it's just bs?

Thank you guy!

i really don't think that's a shit test. saying that she's engaged is much more extreme than a simple, "i have a bf."

It's clear she's coming up with excuses (not to be confused with tests) to keep you away which means she's not attracted to you. Or she is atttracted to you, but she's engaged. so either way, it's messy and it's best you move on!

What makes you so sure she will like you? Heres the thing you are NOT going to be able to close every single girl you approach no matter what you do. And this girl happens to be one of those girls. It be best of you to drop it really. As she is not interested in you. I also think you may have one-ities for this girl as well seeing how determine you are to get her no matter what.

yeah you're right, it's an excuse not a test. and yes, she's not attracted to me. but i didn't have the chance to build up attraction. the situation makes it hard to do that because:

she's working at that coffee place, so she always has 2-4 other co-workers right around her, which makes it uncomortable for her to talk. What makes it even harder is, that this seems to be a family business, so that she acutally has family members around her all the time and she's from turkey, so they are quite protective (even though they haven't behaved that way towards me yet).

all i want is to have the chance to talk to her in some other environment with some privacy and have the chance to show her who i am. if she then still doesn't like me - ok no problem.

i just don't know how to convince her to go out with me once, even if she's not attracted to me right now.

do you have any advise on how i can make my move at this point?

of course i can't be sure that she will like me, if she spends some time with me. but in the past i have learned that initial attraction is not always important. i often did get the results and attention i wanted from a female, after having the opportunity to show her who i actually am.

and yeah I'm really determined to get her...long as i feel she might be someone special. but i'm seeing other girls. and i won't stop seeing them, until i'm acutally in a relationship with that coffee lady or maybe somebody else.

stubborn as i am, i wanna stay persistant and try on.

so if i wanna keep trying... anyone with advise at this point on HOW to continue without coming accross like a weirdo?

This is going nowhere.

To get this girl now you would have to:

1. neg and IOD the girl to death for like a year or something.
2. Provide concrete evidence of DHV displays. I don't mean "say" stuff I mean have actual evidence of it.
3. Provide an insane amount of social proof.
4. Date her sister or some other girl who would spark off her jealousy and be seen with at least 4 other HB10's.
5. Have an incredibly accurate read on her core values and reflect them, mirror her body language perfectly.

If you can do it all that, then, trust me, she will mean very little to you. You would already be getting laid every night with girls who are hotter and more appealing.

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Sounds alot like oneitis.... Fuck her haha its too much work n not enough worth. Girls are a dime a dozen, why her? i say you drop her like a bad habit.

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Just because it worked in the past does not mean it is always going to hold true. Your not some universal guy that all girls will find attractive once they get to know you.
Its one thing to be persistent, its another thing to be a stubborn ox about it and not know when it give up. Also why are you so desperate/determine to get into a relationship with a girl? Part of me thinks you say you are stubborn and all to cover up the fact that you may be desperate. As a smart person would know when to cut their loses, but you don't want to do that but instead waste time to try and get this girl. I am not bashing on you, but more showing my view on this.

BBSwagger,

let me tell you something that a man by the name of Lance Mason told me. There's nothing worse than a "no" trying to become a "yes." You're a "NO" even if you become a "yes" the relationship will never work out cause in the back her mind, you'll always be that "no"!!!

try using a pivot or two DHV and jelousy and that she wasnt that important

If she is from Turkey, there is a high likelihood that she is Muslim. And if she is a strict practicing Muslim, be ready for a long, long courtship. Or, as she said, she may simply be engaged - and kudos to her for handling it well.