Hey guys, i was at a frat party last night and i noticed this interesting looking girl...prob hb8.5...all the guys were trying at her.

So i open with fluff talk about piercings(always works).

I didn't even have to think about game...she was just someone i could vibe with very well and we talked basically the whole party...lots of kino...hand resting in my leg as she spoke...my hand on her shoulder as i'm making a point...etc/etc. I forgot exactly how it was brought up but i think it had to do with commuting(she lives in the same town as the college) and she says she has a boyfriend. I ignore it and we continue talking. She later says "yeah, my boyfriend...i love him sooo much". (I was kinda buzzed and i'm sure she was too...but it seemed pretty random since our conversation wasn't typical bullshit) ...meaning of life...god...just shit that i can really talk about and she and i vibed non stop.

I didn't go for a number close b/c i initally thought she brought up the BF thing because she thought i was hitting on her(all the guys were and i blew them out). So as she left she said it was really great meeting you and gave me a hug/kiss on cheek and i basically just said yeah you too and turned to ask her friend to partner with me for some beer pong and up the notch of alphaness(haha) until she was out of sight. Any idea of where i stand? From what i remember...Heavy EC/kino/vibing. But the "i love my boyfriend soo much" was kind of...off.

She was probably very attracted to you and wanted you, but she still loves her BF. This is a shit test that by saying the right thing, you can get with her, but she's still gonna be with her BF afterwards and maybe you can have a side thing, or maybe just a one night stand.

The thing is....and honestly from a ethical(if that's the right word) point of view makes perfect sense.

See with this situation, it WASN'T like we danced around the fact of talking to each other that we wanted to get physical. I swear i didn't even think of looking at this girl as a "ok fluff it up more so i can get her hand on my dick" kinda thing. I now KNOW the term of "vibing" because there was no awkward of anything in order to make believe there was something there than just a man and a woman with raging hormones.(i hope that makes sense). But as basic as it is..I thought this was a unique and beautiful girl, but even so...i'm NOT looking for a friend. I wouldn't of course mind continuing our bonding/connection...but w/o physical things i'm pretty much wasting my time if i want to get my pleasure off.

So my question is: Although there was CERTAINLY heavy kino our hands on each other bodies/isolation/EC to the max...although maybe subliminally it did.... our "WORDS" of conversation never got sexual. So the next time i meet her...how should i give off the impression that although i can carry a deep conversation with her...I am a man..and i want to get ass. (even though all the other stuff is amazing to have also. Anyone got any ideas/advice/words of wisdom haha? Thanks for reading!!!!

There's tons of advice about this already out there, so I'm just gonna tell you to look for it. Its just standard game, don't get oneitis and lose your concept of how game applies. I run game on girls I legitimately like, because that is why I want to have good game, so I can get those girls. Your only issue here is whether you are ok, doing a girl that has a bf.

It could've been a way to tell you to slow down. I feel more like she was using it as ASD so if you went after her and scored it was on you.

Oh so you mean she used it like .."if we hooked up, i atleast told you i had a boyfriend" ...in which case maybe relieving any guilt she may have/will have?

It doesn't mean anything. Except don't put yourself in a compromising position at her place. Neutral location or your place only.

If the boyfriend meant anything to her, she wouldn't be out looking for something better. By telling you, she's relieving herself of any guilt in the matter and maybe helping you to keep from getting your ass thrashed by a squad of Marines, etc....

Remember this. Because she's liable to do the same thing again. Even if she dumps her current BF for you. A BF that in her mind obviously aint doing something right.

Or maybe she's just using the BF line to test you.

Me? I probably wouldn't waste anymore time with her, unless she begged, offered me money, etc... Especially if I was in college and the young, hot chicks were plentiful.

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The fact of the matter is why do you still care? Are you looking to get laid or start a relationship with this girl?

If you didnt fuck her that night MOVE ON. Why get mixed up with a chick who has a man, when theres plenty of single 10's looking to get laid. She sounds like a drama queen, how lame.

Just my two cents.

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I'm kinda getting the vibe that you really liked this girl.

I'm sure you will see her again dude.

before i learned PUA material i met a lot of girls with just being myself.

maybe this girl liked you for who you really are.

just keep going to parties and running game and I'm sure you'll see her at one of them some time in the future and continue what you started.

Hah... yeah man. Saying they have a boyfriend doesn't mean shit. In the community, this is simply called "plausible deniability" .... It comes from the same part of the female mind as LMR and slut defense. Her saying that can mean only a few things:

1.) She's into you, but she doesn't want to feel like a slut... so she kicks on her slut defense, and puts forth some sort of resistance, so when its all said and done, she can say she tried to keep it from happening, that is, she now has "plausible deniability".

2.) She's into you, but she wants you to know she has a boyfriend that wouldn't be cool with her hooking up with another guy, and you need to know that being discreet is necessary.

3.) She doesn't have a boyfriend and you're simply not being interesting enough.... and you need to do a better job of keeping her attention. (this could be the case regardless of whether or not the aforementioned boyfriend actually exists).

4.) She's actually in a strongly committed relationship and she's not looking for anything more than conversation..... however, #4 is virtually a myth because why the hell would a girl in a serious relationship show up to a party, a frat party no less, without the guy that she's so committed to. There's about a 0.02% chance of this.... my point, horseshit, if she does have a boyfriend, then she's obviously not that into him.


I'm not telling you to go back to chase her unless the oppurtunity simply presents itself.... but for future references, pay absolutely no attention to "I have a boyfriend" because its a shit test any way you slice it.

Agreed- Whenever a girl tells me she has a boyfriend I ignore her completley..

Everywhere! The best place for me to pick up girls is in strip clubs- Thats my specialty. Most of the time I go after "Hired Guns" working girls because they tend to be hot enough for what IM looking for. I thought it would be easy for guys to know how to get laid at a Frat party with an already intoxicated girl

But I can tell you this girls who are at Frat parties are there to meet guys just as much as guys are there to get laid. I went to a lot of Frat parties in my day, and Im there to meet someone as well, and so are all of my girlfriends! And we have targets and reasons to be there most of the time as well.



Just one more piece of advice, you let her control the conversation for to long you could have closed her at any time that night. Just my two cents again....

Hey guys thanks a lot for the advice. Since her and i stayed together the whole party and talked, i don't think she got to see how well i do alpha wise with the guys ...and although I'm by no means a PUA SPAM...i can atleast go up to someone at a party and start a conversation. (Day game is a little harder for me).

SHe was at the party because she's a pledge sister and it was a mixer between a frat and soriety so it wasn't like she was out on the hunt...although maybe she was. But next time i see her I'm not going to be rude and not acknowledge her, but i'm defiantly going to alpha it up with the guys and make sure to get on a familiar basis with all the girls. If i sense that she's eyeing me and noticing my DHV/social proof, I'm gonna defiantly open her back up.

How do you guys suggest i get sexual with her? I've read things like the triangular gaze and what not. And is it not PUA to go in for the kiss first? I'm thinking that i'm going to try and get the conversation to go to something she enjoys, and i'm not sure if this is NLP or not...but get her to express as much as possible any good feelings she has about any particular subject. Btw...if it happens again where she's talking to me with her hands on my legs, should i just grab her hand and fondle with it and then give her the triangular gaze? How should i go about it? I don't want a girlfriend or will have oneitisis...i just want to be able to be ahead of the game in any given situation.

Thanks you for reading and responses!! I implement all the advice i get asap!

Just remember "plausible deniability" in all that you do... If you straight up say, "You wanna go back to my place and fuck?" then her slut defense red flags will go up immediately. Instead, say "You should come by and check out this movie I've been wanting to see..." or just anything non-sexual. Now, she's not stupid... she knows why you want to go to your place. But again, she needs plausible deniability. If you say you just want to watch a movie, then she can later say, "Well, it just happened."
Dude... seriously. Hah, yeah man, you go in for the kiss. There's nothing AFC about that. Now some girls, yeah, they'll wear the pants and go for it themselves, but don't expect that.... and in fact, don't wait for it. First of all most girls will have too much of a slut defense to make the first move. So you should expect to. And even if she does make the first move.... that might cause problems if you expect anything more than a one time thing, because some girls might even consider that to be a DLV. They shouldn't, and a lot of girls won't think that way, but they might. So you really have nothing to lose and everything to gain by being the one to make the move first (assuming you get the adequate number of IOIs and comfort level and you don't come off as desperate or needy).