I was at a bar last night catching up with my first real girlfriend. She was a gorgeous little curly haired blonde that I hooked up with in high school. Really my first love. We would spend hours and hours making out in her bedroom with the door open keeping one eye open in case her parents walked up. We never had sex since we were just young pups but she was the first girl to touch my dick and I'm willing to bet I was the first guy to feel her up.

A thought occured to me while we were talking. She had changed and so had I. We were no longer the rosy cheeked cherubs that we once were. We were both pushing 30 and had had our fair share of heartbreak and bad relationships. We both agreed that what we had then was the nicest, sweetest, most loving relationship that we had ever been in. I was a fine young gent that called her every day, brought her flowers, and called her pet names. She baked me cookies, played with my hair, and wrote me little notes in class.

Somewhere along the line though I had turned into a prick. Over the last five years all of my lays and relationships have come from acting arrogant and uninterested. Guys who know anything about women know that this is step one to picking them up. Neg them, act uninterested, make them jealous. All of these things are shady tactics for making yourself appear more attractive than you are. Not that I am putting them down! I have used them and they have worked.

All that said, I would rather be the 14 year old chump that tells a gal she is special and shows up to her door with a bouquet of flowers. It is much easier and much more rewarding. It makes me feel good inside. But unfortunately women just dont respond to nice guys. You know the old saying "Nice guys sleep alone." When I made the transition from prince to prick I spent a lot of lonely nights in my own bed jerking off.

It is frustrating to hear women complain that "there are no nice guys out there." You are so so wrong! We all used to be loving sweet little boys until you taught us to be pricks.

Just a thought...

I love this and I relate a lot with what you're saying, as I think every guy should.

I was talking to my roommate last night, his girlfriend had dumped him that day, about first loves and how they'll always have that place in your heart.

I was talking to this really really hot girl the other day and one of the first things she said to me was "wow, I love this. I love the way you're looking at me' I was kinda confused. she said 'you're looking me in the eye when you talk to me, noone ever does that, they're always checking me out'

My deal is, I am a nice guy. Fuck, I'm a great guy, a great person. But i'll still make fun of you just because and call you stupid when you say something stupid. I'll act uninterested because you're saying something I don't really care about. I don't act.. reaally, which is something I think a lot of guys do, I've just adopted normalities (which apparently isnt a word btw) into my behavior that work in my favour.

Its good to act like a real person, you know? Thats how you get the real good girls, the keepers, the ones you stay up all night reading books with and then she gives you the best head ever, ya know?

Sometimes I see guys on the street, and I can just tell they're putting this whole fucking act like saying shit like "Omg really!? omg thats so crazy I didn't even realize you were there' or some bullshit like that. Man, live in the now and make every interaction genuine and in the moment. Of course you'll end up repeating things as you do every time you meet someone, but you don't necessarily have to do it. I always feel like a douche when I say things I've said 20-30 times before to people, I feel like I'm cheating myself and them at the same time.

People are fake, people are fucks, people are phony.

Ladies be with me I'm real, I'm better.

Thats my motto.

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I loved this post.
You don't know how many friends and guys that I know just "act" being this guy that they are not. Like they would act all impressed when a girl says something that's really not impressive, and they'll be like "OMGWTF REALLY??? THATS AWESOME!!!" then... days later forget that exact moment.
I like this part:
"My deal is, I am a nice guy. Fuck, I'm a great guy, a great person. But i'll still make fun of you just because and call you stupid when you say something stupid. I'll act uninterested because you're saying something I don't really care about. I don't act.. reaally, which is something I think a lot of guys do, I've just adopted normalities (which apparently isnt a word btw) into my behavior that work in my favour. "

Not being fake. And it is also really sad when girls say that there are no more nice guys. The truth is that nice guys don't even get the attention a jerk gets. And in the end, the best guys are the ones that are alone and single. While girls suffer jerk after jerk, just because they're attracted to that ... The only girls that can appreciate a nice guy are the keeper girls, this are the ones that look beyond the basic things that attract any girl, and actually say to themselves "He is the best" ...
Just my thoughts...

Look at all the positive energy we got going here !
this is great.

I was at a big drum circle outside beach dancefloor firespinner folkfest thing today. There was a girl, we'll call her 'really hot girl with tight ass body and saucy european eyes' that gave me the looks. I didn't look away. she rubbed onto me, getting herself noticed, I reciprocated a little, not much. You feel like a washboard when someone is bouncing their ass infront of you gently nudging it against you. she turned back a couple times, checkin me out as I smiled back. We never spoke. She kept dancing with me and all I could think was "i just wanna talk to this girl. Why do you people meet on a dancefloor its so unnatural." she was probably really great but I never found out, I just got a gentle rub of her body. but Why should I just take it because its there? if women have stadards, certain quotas that the other has to meet can't guys? what you think I'm gonna rub my hands all over her just because you're hot? Work for it baby, show me you want it.. Or you can just go and get hassled by these other jerks that will never treat you half as well as I do, but she'll never know..

and how do you convey it? all smiles? first of all, you have to make sure your soul is pure. secondly, you have to stick to your soul.

Long story short I was high on acid and wanted to talk to the beautiful girl continuously grinding her butt against me and pulling the ole hairflip over the shoulder check-out stare, if you get what I mean.. I wanted to talk instead of just booty rub.

But I shoulda rubbed the booty.

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Its very funny how being a prick works... When I was a nice AFC, I got zero. I slowly became a c/f asshole/jerk, it got me laid and I didn't even have to do the work, she chased me down and got my number from a friend. I slowly started being a nicer guy, letting my guard down, trying to see if I can go into a comfort mode. It didn't work. The nicer I got & the more I "cared", the more I was called an asshole in a mean way. A prick, the mean way. She used to call me a jerk but you could hear it in her voice that it got her off, but nowadays I'm a selfish asshole after trying to be nice. I hate saying this, but being nice does not pay off at all. It turned me into a hated man, the only thing that really hurts me in this world, especially after we shared so much. I had never felt hatred from somebody before, yeah there was maybe a few bullies back in school but it was never hatred. Being nice got me hated, and ever since then, I will never be nice again.


There's a right way to be a prick, and I have to respect the people who know how to do it consistently. I'm a testament to it working, and I'm a testament to what happens to people when they use it but don't become it, or don't really believe in the happiness it brings. I haven't found a shortcut, there is no cheat code for nice guys to be nice and still be seen as a prick. You can be a prick and get a woman, true, but if that didn't make you a believer, you will be after she leaves you and you're lonely again after all that effort you put into trying to be nice.

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So good to see so many thoughtful responses. I am glad that I am not the only guy that has struggled with this contradiction. Women are such fascinating creatures. You can present them with all of the logic in the world and they will still make decisions based on how they feel.

A few weeks ago I was in a bar and I was chatting up a super hot HB9 we talked about her job as a middle school teacher and I overnegged her and said that she didn't look smart enough to be a middle school teacher. She responded indignantly but could not tear herself away from the conversation. Even though I had upset her she was emotionally involved and I parlayed it into a number close.

Last week I was out with a HB8 that I met on the internet. After she ordered two cocktails at a bar I told her frankly that she was not getting any more free drinks off of me. She acted indignant and upset and by the end of the night she was making out with me in my car while I was grabbing her ass.

Every few years you will read about an Orca that goes berzerk and tries to eat it's trainer because it reached back somewhere into it's primitive mind and forgot that it is getting a bucket of chum three times a day. I wonder if somehow the girls we talk to look at us and say somewhere in the deepest reaches of their minds "He can slay the mastadon and save me from the sabertooth tiger! I can put up with him being a jerk. He makes me feel safe and secure."

GREAT thread. Being a prick will get you laid. Being a nice guy will get you nowhere. Its as simple as that. Yet, many guys find it very hard to be a prick because they percieve it to be wrong in some way. Yes, todays world is fucked up. Women should like guys who treat them well but its the other way around. Instead they go after the guys who dont pay attention to them, make fun of them, and insult them. This is the reality of pick up. In my opinion there are 2 ways to get women. The first is if your really smooth. The second is if your C/F, Asshole, Prick lets just say. Being smooth will get you what you want. Being a prick will keep the girl attracted to you.

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