Those other statements seemed to be made out of fear. Like I said - do what you should have been doing from the start. You said you were worried about acting different all of a sudden but she will see it for what it is - a change of heart.

Well her friend may be cute, but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. What I mean is if you have a sure thing (the girl who threw her arms around you) it's practically always a bad move to throw it away for something that is only a "possibility". That's my experience. You do what you gotta do though.

I have news.

It appears my target has been seeing another guy, and she kissed him. It also appears she thinks I'm better looking than him, but he's in university right now and I am not, and that would make her unsure about the whole situation since education is really important to her..That's what I got when my friend's gf spilled the beans.


Anyhow!!

She asked me to go the restaurant on tuesday and I went with her, it was nice. A bit serious for my taste but still pretty good nonetheless. My friend and his gf joined us after the dinner and we went to a cigar room downtown. We were close to eachother but it didn't go very well..She kept texting and at some point stood up to go talk to somebody outside, it appears it was the other guy. At this point I was like fuck it, this girl is playing me. Then my friend decided we should go at his place and go swim in his pool. I was playing uninterested from that point since her behavior disapointed me. I was texting on my phone basically not giving a fuck, texting other girls and then she asked me if I was going to come to my friends pool. I said I'm not sure cause I might go see some friends at a club. She seemed disapointed.

We left the cigar room and had to drop by some house to pick up my friend's sister. We went there, I sat in the living room on a couch, and my target came and sat down on the arm rest. I wanted to offer her my place so I said do you want to sit down? And she just sat on my lap..I was kino escalating a bit but she wasn't really reacting, acting a bit cold. She kept her back to me the whole time.

There were a few friends of my friend's sister and they were hitting on me. They were speaking about my ''Girlfriend'' and I said she wasn't my girlfriend, and then one of the girl said : Oh so that means you're single? Hi I'm **** (Can't remember), Do you want to give me your phone number? So I basically invited the other girls to come to the club with me.

Then I asked my friend in the car to drop me to the club, and my target said ''No'' in a playfull kind of way. That was the end of the night.


So I kept thinking about what my friend's gf told me about my target's other guy and how he was all over her and basically told her he was in love with her. I started to think that maybe going a bit of AFC and giving her alot of attention could be better, since she's not very experienced and probably still has that high school mentality.

I texted her this morning saying good luck since she had a minor dental surgery. She was very happy that I texted her. I asked her later in the afternoon if all went well and she said yeah blablabla, btw thanks for the text this morning blabla, all smiles and shit.

We chatted back and forth a bit then her cellphone fucked up like it does all the time and her messages were ''no content'' I texted her about that and wished good night...Then I went on a limp and added one last text : ''I can't wait to see you again!!'' Wich she replied almost immediately with another fucking ''no content'' message...


Basically I think I took the cocky/funny negging thing too far, thinking she was a HB9.5 and basically get tons of compliments/attention all the time, but now I'm thinking I should go more AFC on her haha.

Let's see how this goes.

Sort of, not really

It's the difference between a girl who sees herself as high demand or low demand. The former needs more negging, and the latter needs more comfort.

Either way you are still alpha!

Either way this is the most puzzling women I've encoutered in a while.

I can't really tell where I stand.

She came to talk to me yesterday and I was away on facebook.

I heard today that she's going out for dinner with the other guy haha.

My friend's like : Dude she's using you to make the other guy jealous. lol

Should I freeze her out and forget about it?

Well after everything you did, you should expect this. You may still have a chance - the only way to know is still the same answer - keep behaving the way you should have in the first place - like the other guy doesn't exist. Like nothing else is happening. Just do what you're SUPPOSED to do. Be attractive.

No, freezing her out won't win her over in this situation. It will just bring it to a disappointing end. If there was a chance, she will be disappointed that you don't really care after all, and if there wasn't a chance, you'll never know. It's up to you but I can tell you're still keen to find out, because you're wondering if you should "freeze her out" as if it might get her back.

Remember, like David D says - even when a girl says "Well... I'm seeing someone..." there's still every possibility she's just saying it to make herself feel better, so there's still room for you to flip it round, and say "Hah - you called ME, remember?" etc. and jokingly point out that she's still attracted, regardless. That's what you would do in the beginning, and that's what you'll still do now (although it will be harder for you to maintain your composure after everything that's gone wrong now, I think - you're gonna have to be tough).
If she says "No I'm well and truely in a relationship now and dont' want to jepordise it" something like that, then it's definitely over. But while she's got a vagueness in her voice, or giving conflicting body language, it's not over.

Thanks alot!

And yes even if I try to convince myself that I don't care..I do care.

I have interest in a girl like once or twice a year, everytime it fucks me up.


So should I wait for her to text me or should I try to set something up by myself.

Man this has been like a soap opera or something!

It is cool to see lots of people jumping in and replying and following it too, makes for good reading, especially because I am a bit like you and would have done some of the things you did.

Maybe try the direct approach? I mean I am no expert but maybe sit her down and say, I really like you, and I know you like me, why aren't we together? or something?

I am not sure, but do keep us updated, I am keen to see if you get the girl

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Dude you need to put this girl on the back burner. You have planted a seed and have watered it a bunch, too much and you drown the plant. Some relationships require time to establish themselves. Move on to different target and invest this energy you seem to have into another woman.
Dude this is called the oneitis and you need to get it cured. I get Oneitis pretty bad myself and it really sucks but your just going to lose these girls you are really truly interested in if you don't get practice and confidence from encounters with other women.

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Same as always, you have to take the lead. dude you never wait for a girl to call you, she wont, its your job.

I effed this up on so many levels hahaha.

The way I see it it's kind of experience for when the real woman of my life will show up haha, she might accept a bit of screw ups.

And I'm glad if people get a kick out of reading this. We need to know what to do, but also examples of what NOT to do.

That last night at the club, I gamed alot of girl, didn't really give a fuck about them so I wasn't really on my A game. I even got into a fight at the end of the night, the first fight of my night..It was pretty miserable though and no one really got hurt, good thing for the guy because I know how to fight when I'm not plastered.

I also got a number from a girl. I saw her I said hey you're pretty cute, she said thanks and we started talking for a while. Then she moved a bit away with her friends, I went to see her I said hey do you have a bf? She said ''used to' I said so that means I can have your phone number? And I handed her my cellphone.

That was very rubbish ahahha.

Im in a similar position to you except this girl im interested in has a boyf, she said that he broke up with her etc yet they still hung out - although she keeps on saying that its shit etc but she has admitted that she does care for him - rightly so seeing as they have known each other for 8 years 1-2 years of which theyve been goin out as a couple.

Anyways I know its difficult but try to go out with other girls etc. The problem is your heart, and mine, is also never in it when you try to chat up other girls and the fucked up thing is those feelings for the oneitis girl is still present come the morning.

Just patience - im a firm believer that a oneitis can end in a relationship, im the eternal optimist, but it is about patience and, as some have said on here, forgetting the other guy exists.

That's pretty much where I failed.

It worked the back of my mind that she was seeing and kissing another guy, and that kind of preventing me from escalating and trying to take things a little further. I also acted pissed off when she called him while we were hanging out with a group of friends, she probably noticed.

Funny thing, she came to talk to me on facebook a few minutes ago saying sorry for friday she couldn't call me back since she was asleep, it appears I have called a few people at 1 am because I was so drunk, probably by mistake..I told her it was a mistake and she peaced off. Funny that she would bring it up two days later though.

I'm thinking she wants to keep my interest, even if she might have feelings for another guy. This is not good for me though.


BTW : Got her hot friend's phone number. She wants me to teach her how to play guitar haha.

Definately lost the girl, it appears the guy has been a total AFC from the start.

Saying he was in love with her for god knows how long, bringing her lunch at her work etc..It worked for him. Appart from my little mistakes I was showing her alpha when I was with her and it didn't do for her.