I am 18 and have never had a successful interaction with a girl my age before. I am really looking to learn all of this stuff and use it but whenever I go to the mall and try to talk to people, I am unsuccessful. I always freeze and never even approach. I am very nervous because college is coming up and I know that is a very easy place to meet women but I don't wanna blow it. I know college game is based off of social proof and pre selection. The best thing that can happen is if I girl I slept with refers me to other women and says I was good in bed and I've read some great things on how be good there. What advice can I get on getting great results with women in college or even to get the balls to approach in my home area so I can have some practice before heading in? My weakest skill is easily just coming up with things to say. I am a horrible conversationalist. Thanks for the advice ahead of time.

If you're a horrible conversationalist, either you're not a very interesting guy and have nothing to talk about, or you're very insecure. You are going to have to overcome that because all pickup ends up hinging on your social skills. A circle of slutty girls might pass you around, but word of mouth more often limits your options than expands them. Being the guy that sleeps with every girl in a class can be good for your reputation with other men, but it's not likely to impress women. This is why male strippers rarely screw any of their clientele, because it destroys his mystique and unobtainable quality. Luckily for you, women are pretty secretive and won't tell other random women who they've fucked unless they're friends. You probably have a lot of shit to say, the brain never stops forming connections, but you're probably too scared of sounding stupid or AFC to just let the words out. Just TALK, but don't chatter like a nervous girl.

Dun try picking them as if in a club with "Can I have an opinion on sth" that kind of BS because the community in college is small, When you signal your intentional of approach and you failed that approach, that is going to look bad and people in the school will know.

You can pick them up without even looked like picking them up because there are a million reasons to do that as a college student. Just ask the girl in the same class about homework, make it a chat with some sort of purpose or meaning in the approach. Or you can organise a club or activity and invite other girls to join, passing them pamphlets with you numbers on it. You will look like a campus star.

Logistic and social circle matter in college.

BTW Im a 2nd year college guy.

If you know social proof is at the heart of college game, and you understand what Cataclysm said about nightclub game not working as well on the college scene, then you've got all the info you really need. You just need to work your social skills, be interesting/funny, be the life-of-the-party without being a fratboy-drunk, and if you really want a challenge, be that guy who is the social butterfly of the campus and have friends in every little cliche possible.

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Thanks for the great advice! I have been doing a lot of research on what other PUAs think of college game and these replies match my findings and make them even clearer. I think I am a poor conversationalist because I really do not know what women like to talk about. I have been in conversations in the past and whenever a topic they consider bad comes around, the conversation ended immediately. I think I am an interesting person but most people will think I am not. I don't think people want to hear about how I got started on my career in video game journalism when I was 14 and am continuing it. I don't care about being interesting because I believe I already am. Tons of guys get women without being interesting. They can just be obnoxious morons but I refuse to be one of those and I think everyone learning this stuff can agree with that. I just need to find good conversation topics that are guaranteed to work with more than 50% of women. That can be done through trial and error unless you guys have suggestions.

I am gonna get plenty of approaching practice starting again this weekend and continuing onwards. At the end on July, I got college orientation. That will be the first chance to gain friends in college. The thing that worries me the most is this whole social proof thing. In high school, I always had low value partly because of who I associated with. I feel college may be the same thing. I am also nervous that my interests in technology, video games and other nerdy things will make people automatically perceive me as low value but I don't think people are that shallow or judgmental. As long as my personality shines, that should not be a problem. The best thing I can do now is just follow the great advice you guys have given me so far and hone my skills on my free time. Repetition is key with pickup. If you guys have any more advice, reply.

Key is to be a well-rounded guy and dabble in a lot of everything. Videogame journalism will be good for gamer girls that like Halo or whatever, but it won't work for most any other kind of girl. That's fine if you want to specialize, but if you want broad appeal that will interest a variety of women, you have to be knowledgeable about a lot of things and have a range of hobbies... or at least know how to BS and ask questions like you're in the loop (like me).

There are no topics that work for all girls, you have to figure out their interests. Even if there were topics that worked for all women, you'd get bored having the same conversation by the third girl, I promise. Being passionate about your own interests gets you points, too, just learn the signs when you're starting to bore her.

I've gotten to that point many times. Through experience, I know when I am boring someone, I used to do it pretty often. I think what I am interpreting from what you are saying is that I should ask questions and find out about her interests. That definitely sounds like a great idea and I will probably use that more often. I clearly understand that no one conversation topic works every time. Everyone is different. Maybe I should be more knowledgeable about some topics but I would look down on myself if it was only to fit in. Maybe instead of looking up this information on my own, I can ask the girl I have approached for more information by asking them questions if the topic comes up. I would not be an interrogator but make it feel natural in the conversation.

I definitely am not a well rounded guy but that's just who I am. Sports and politics along with many other popular topics bore me. Maybe I should find other hobbies or interests rather than things related to geek culture, staying in shape and pickup. If I could find a girl who was a gamer, that would be amazing but they are pretty rare within my age group as far as I know. The good looking ones I've seen are definitely out of my age range. If I need to bs a conversation topic I know little about, I've done it all through high school through the many papers I have written. I can easily do it.

Dude, I hate sports, too, but I have a friend who's a huge sports buff and... See what I did there? If you have a lot of friends with specialized interests, guess what, you can talk about your friends and look like you're still contributing to the conversation. Or you subtly change the conversation to something else. "Oh, that reminds me of..." You can still be a good listener for the girl by actively asking questions like you're interested. Sometimes you just have to bite that bullet for a bit while she rambles about her cats. Read every headline on CNN every day when you have down time. You'll always be able to contribute to conversations. There are a lot of self-help books on body language, what you don't know will hurt you(r game).

Hey man...Ive actually been doing a fair amount of research on College game lately since Im going to be a freshmen in the fall. The info that has really helped me so far has been from Braddock of Lovesystems. He did a College Game/ Social Circle seminar a while back, which is on youtube in 10 parts (ill link you below). My college had a mandatory summer orientation last week, and I while i was there I just tried to apply the basic principles Braddock discusses in his summer. And wow the stuff works. Lets just say Im excited for the next 4 years lol.

Anyways, one thing I noticed while I was there was that the girls are just as nervous as the guys there. In my orientation group, it was 8 girls, myself and 2 other guys. At the initial lunch you could cut the tension with a knife everyone was so freaking nervous. But instead of displaying nervousness, I used the situation to my advantage. You dont have to talk about anything special. Really when you head to college, your gonna be able to get away with the "interview" questions, because nobody knows each other. And you can always talk about things on Campus or events at your school or interesting people you've met so far etc...

Hope this helps...

Thanks for the advice and I love your username lol. I have my orientation at the end of July and what you just told me makes PERFECT sense. It may be the biggest advantage I got. I have already seen the 10 part college game thing by Braddock. I hate that it revolves around social proof but I think the most important thing I got out of it is that approaching in college is different from the normal cold approach because you will see these people everyday. As far as I have seen, my college does not have too many good looking girls. I could be wrong about this and most likely am but that would mean less selection and more competition. I am pretty sure everyone will be nervous like you said so why not take advantage of it.

That is also a great strategy. I am already a great listener but sometimes I am too quiet because of this. Asking questions would make me an even better listener because I can refer to things she said therefore proving I was listening. I do know a lot of these strategies already but hearing them again has really allowed me to explore them and analyze where they can be used.

Alright amigo, college game is a forte of mine. I live in a state with 3 of the biggest party schools in the country, my playground is wide. Here's a few things I find important.

1. Study NLP. It'll make you curious and trust me a state of curiousity is key. You'll be able to communicate on many levels, especially the perfect 10's. They love that shit. Don't worry about your reputation, if you're getting the high valued woman interested in you it'll be fine. It'll make jealousy plotlines all the more epic.

2. Pretend to be looking for someone when crashing a party. I usually just walk into random houses like I own em and start screaming out "Where's Ashley?"
No one really ever questions it, and if you do get approached tell em ur looking for Ashley and that her phone died.

3. Always enter a party with the intention of adding value. I highly suggest learning to freestyle with a wing. There's usually about 2 people in a party that can rap and just entertain the fuck out of 20 heads. Let it be you, this is a performance art remember? I like to start rapping like 5 minutes after I get inside a place. Sometimes you will even find a place with a mic and instrumentals. You don't need try and go all eminem, it doesn't take much to develop social proof here.

4. Have 3 girls down to party or chill at all times. Who knows when some social proof will be needed. I have 3 homegirls I grew up with and they're all beautiful. They know I'm a practicing venusian artist, and they love it. I've thought em alot, and they love it when I teach em about social dynamics. We analyze sets for each other all the time. If PUA is a passion let your friends in on it, they'll help contribute to your journey in more ways than you can imagine. If you're not staying in state and can't bring the girls with you, well then go make new ones and wash rinse repeat. You magically find yourself with a whole new set of cubes to interpret.

5. You're the average of the 5 people you're standing the closest to. Associations are key, plus some people are just plain evil. Be careful about who you let into your entourage.

6. Every othe weekend just head for an adventure at another campus. Even if you don't know anybody the combination of "where's ashley?" And "do you mind if I freestyle?" Will get you into many parties. It is a universal tactic. You can practice without having to worry about your reputation, you could be someone new every party you crash.

7. HAVE FUN. Really, just think fun the entire time. Be van wilder, or anyother party god. Learn the art of modeling, in order to reproduce the results of another indivisual you must 1. Know there belief. 2 Mimic they're physiology. & 3 understand their mental symtax.

I'm not gonna go too deep on these ideas. If you got a question, google it. =P

Thank you so much for taking the time to write all of this. It is a huge help to me and everyone else on the forums asking about this.

1. I am always reviewing a lot of the tools used in Speed Seduction which is all NLP. Even if it is canned patterns, I think I got NLP covered.

2. Genius advice for crashing a party. I'm guessing after a minute or two of searching, I blend in.

3. I'm not much of a rap person but I see your point. You gotta do something cool to raise your value as fast as possible. What else can I do aside from freestyling?

4. Everyone in my life hates all venusian arts and PUA material. They all think it is a scam. It is a little nerve racking to do that but if I could have some pivots (female wings) by my side, they would not only raise my value but I would raise theirs as well. I'm sure when I really trust a girl, I will let her in on it and I'm my friends and family will be interested when they see the impending results.

5. I'm gonna be very careful with who I associate with but that is hard because I don't wanna be mean to people.

6. My twin brother is going to one of the top party schools in the state school system so I will visit him even if he is three hours away. I may even bring some friends from my college with me, especially if they are attractive girls.

7. That's the goal. I heard someone say the goal of pickup is to make sure you are having more fun than the girl. I totally believe this and will work hard this Summer to make that my mindset.

Bring a bottle of liquor, keep it in your pocket (I have huge pockets). That's all the value you need. I used flavored vodka, people tended to come to me. Sure, they're using you for a drink, but who cares; you have a party in your pocket.

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31 and still figuring it out.

Watch Nick Sparks his college game is pretty legit.

http://www.the21convention.com/2009/09/ ... t21c-2009/