I tend to have my own unique game plan which seems to work ok for some of the time but my one biggest sticking point is I dont really know how to kino escalate properly. For me, Ill usually be very friendly and somewhat touchy (but not in a sexual way), then when I isolate and have a nice little comfort building chat Ill go for a kiss. Id say it works half of the time, but even when it does the girls are always always surprised that I suddenly want to kiss them.

Ive tried hand holding a few times and that always seems to get blown off, in fact anything that is "more than just friends" seems to not work out so well so I just leave my first real kino to the kiss.

This problem is especially bad when gaming Western women. I live in Asia and maybe have a lot of confidence and success with Asian girls but when it comes down to gaming a Western woman it all falls apart.

Can anyone give me any advice so I can tighten up this problem?

Yep. I can. Just be a touchy guy in general. Touch her shoulder for a second but look away when you do it. Give her a massage if you're good at it (if you've talked a little bit). Just be touchy in general. Be flirty and touchy with her friends too. Just be a "touchy" guy.

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Well Im pretty much already doing that, Ive even been told that I am a very touchy guy before several times. But theres a line somewhere seperates the difference between a touching a friend or stranger on the arm and doing something past being just friends. Like hand holding, kissing necks, stroking her back. Everything up to that line is fine, just crossing it is the hard part. I often feel like the girl is pulling away when ever I do something like that... so Ive stuck to the whole jumping in the deep end with a kiss style.

Try starting small and working your way up to the k-close.

Start with a playful nudge and move on to compliance tests, like hand holding. Do things like pulling her in for a hug and tossing her off with a freeze out, once you have attraction. When moving to the isolation, grab her hand and lead her.

Make everything natural. Don't think about it, just do it.

It all doesn't have to be in any order. Just allow her to feel your touch and get comfortable with you being there.

When the time comes, the IOI's will be there. She will practically be trying to kiss you.

Practice, practice.

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One way to proceed to holding hands I think is to grab her hand to lead her somewhere. This works well in a crowded area. Another way is if you're walking along you can slip your arm through hers to lock elbows and say "let's go this way" and then turn and lead off in another direction. This way you have an "excuse" for touching her in like this.

Ok thanks, yeah I think I need to make it more natural. Need more practice maybe.

When leading a girl somewhere after you get there should you cut off or? Often its not that the girl wants to cut it off but something you are doing leads her to cut it off..

One other question, not exactly escalation but I feel when Im in the mid/late stages its always only me who initiates any kissing, even after having sex several times its still only me who kisses her. I think maybe I just love kissing so much I do it too much? Any opinions on this?

Yeah, cut off once you've led her somewhere. You're better off if you cut off physical contact before she wants to, then you leave her wanting more. Apply the same strategy with your kissing. Get in close, look into her eyes, reach your hand up and stroke her hair over her ear, say something sexy, romantic or C&F like "god, you really want me right now" and then leave and go check your email or something. Keep eye contact as you leave and slide your hand gently across her face as you leave. Like if you are stroking her hair with your right hand, leave walking off to your left, keep looking into her eyes, and keep your hand at the side of her head until your arm is extended, and then lightly drag your fingertips across the edge of her jaw bone and gently turn her head towards yours with your fingertips as they reach her chin. Mix it up, don't be predictable.