Goin out for drinks with this girl from work tomorrow.

This week we have been flirting and talking so much more than we have ever done in the past nine months.

Anyways I have tried to kiss her twice before - stupidly by tellin/asking her I wanna kiss her. She never ever said no but told me to stop doin this to her although she has never denied not wantin to kiss me. fed up of rejection - she is def makin me work for it.

I have seen a few routines and tests which have been ok but as i have been rejected twice (although I think she wanted to kiss me) I kinda want something other than askin her.

I was thinkin along the lines of holding her face, look into her eyes and lips (triangular gazing) and basically kissin her without sayin a word.


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That is always better than asking her if she wants you to kiss her. That's an awesome way to destruct the mood. Would you say, "I'm going to put my penis in you now," right before you have sex? Or "Do you want me to have sex with you?" when you're already lined up and have a condom on? Triangular gazing sounds okay, but it's too fucking intense. You know, that may look good on camera when the audience has been waiting two seasons for those characters to finally kiss, but that's not real life. Real life, you test the waters. At an opportune time, slowly move your head closer to her. She'll either say right off, "What are you doing?" and back away, or she'll let you kiss her. At that point, you just do a couple small kisses. If she kisses back, then go full make out. If she doesn't kiss back, it was just a small kiss, so no big deal. It wasn't this huge ass dramatic production. It's just a kissing, it should be casual. The more casual you make it, the less awkward and painful the possible rejection will be.

Making out is like shaking hands, that's a mind set I had learned and it has helped me k close, not physically but mentally over come the slight nervous intensity from it

The advice from the guy above me is right on man, I don't think you have totally fucked up or anything by asking her to kiss but keep in mind that for your next k close, just avoid that. Use more body languauge and flirting. If you really need a line something basic I us is first get close grab her hands and say "ok your cool and all but are you really adventures?" She will most likely say yes, then you just say "me too" and kiss her. I tend to not use to much wording, all in all its a small part of gaming, but use some variation like that to start. It will always be a risk at first man, but its the only way to get what you want

mR.e

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Ok so last night we met up

I got us a table at a new bar - so new it was pretty much empty but it was a classy kinda bar.

Anyways last night for the first time we actually started to touch and hold each other, holding hands, touching leg, our legs touching and was proper nice.

I didnt kiss her she is holding back. When she was about to go home, it took her an hour to leave me. All we did was hug outside the station and she was kissing my neck and all over my fucking face bar the lips even right next to my lips. I kissed her on her neck (she liked it lots) and tried the lips but didnt go for it full throttle. We basically kissed without kissing - she is obviously not wanting to come across as someone who cheats which is a good thing i guess but I dont know whether she is teasing me or what?

I gave her the whole "ever sat next to someone you felt so comfortable with that you had to resists so hard kissing them" she actually replied with a "yeah - you".

I am still gonna persist cos she so badly wants to but because I badly want to.

Her boyfriend fucking called though three or four times, which she rejected, but i told her to pick the phone - basically the boyf said that something aint right between them.

Ok first to solve this just read your topic name

Desperate to kiss close this girl

You cant win something you're not willing to lose.
Oh and if you're reciting routines chances are you may sound fake and trust me girls see straight through that shit.

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You are right im not willing to lose this.

In regards to the routine - I said in such a way that I was stuttering and pausing after every word (partly cos i was a bit drunk partly because i wasnt confident enough to say it clearly) i didnt say it word for word and changed it a touch but i used the jist and put some kind of romantic twist to it. She brought it.

Actually you missed a great opportunity.

When the neck kisses start that is game on. Grab the hips and put your forehead against hers, make her kiss you, from the sounds of it she would have.

I do agree with saying I feel like kissing you, I think it is a fine line just timing is the key to using it correctly. If you are hugging, hug must be pelvis to pelvis(holding each other as close as possible), it is fine to whisper into her ear I feel like kissing you. A little kiss on the neck, then go forehead to forehead and then all systems are go in my personal experiences.

You can also just grab her head and star kissing her(not to forceful), she will likely allow you to kiss her once you get to that point.

Seriously you just need to elevate. You are fine, be careful not to pass it up as there may not be a next time. If she comes to and things go good with her BF you may miss the train.

That said you should have just took charge and started kissing her, be the man. If she ignored her bf she required very lil convincing to advance or elevate to the next step.

Mate everything you described here - I did, we did. I was holdin her so much that I strangled her haha. she had her arms around my waist and it was kinda perfect.

The thing is she is a short girl im 6ft2 which makes a big diff and she had taken off her heels by then. I kissed her forehead, neck, cheek, I held her head and thats when she kept on turning away at the last moments. she kept on kissing my neck, cheeks - everything. As you say I may have missed an opportunity because that was the first time she was comfortable enough to make any real contact with me.

Everytime we go out, we get closer and closer to the kiss, its happening over a fairly long period of time which is frustrating. maybe the next time we go out - we will kiss? Im hopin.

Next time should be perfect for the K-Close!

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well ask her why you havnt kissed yet, if you have been physical enough and get stuck it really doesnt hurt to ask why, guys think it will make them lose a good chance but it really wont

this girl i have liked a long time finally is starting to open up to me and likes me a hell of a lot. wanna know how? i told her how i feel and asked her how she did. i tried to just escalate like you did and we got about as far as you did with the holding hands and what not but when i told her how much she means to me it made both of us more open, there for she was more comfortable with me

guys dont have much feelings, but girls have alot! and they also like talking, just keep that in mind





mR.e

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Next time we go out - I think ill k close her.

By the way I have spoken to her about my feelings and how i wanna kiss her everytime i see her etc etc etc and she loved that. She knows my feelings and she has said the same that she wants to kiss me but something is holdin her back (i.e. the boyf - which she no longer enjoys seeing at all she told me on phone last night)

She did come in for the hug again (maybe more also) but i kinda declined it. Maybe that was the k close i dont know but there will be another opportunity im sure.

The thing is she is going on holiday next week which means she will forget about me and shag other guys - which is kinda to be expected so the momentum could get lost.

This has gone on for long enough. I think you're getting played. I have no idea what you want out of this girl, sloppy seconds from her boyfriend or what? But basically, she's not making out with you so she can tell her boyfriend she's not cheating, but still keep getting your attention and affection. While you get blueballs and go home masturbating, who do you think is popping open that lid you worked so hard to loosen up? You are doing WONDERS for their relationship. Don't tell me "Oh, but she doesn't have sex with her boyfriend." Bullshit, how do you know?

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31 and still figuring it out.

Well the first part is right about her not cheating - I gathered that.

We are goin out tonite and throughout today at work we have been flirting like hell. I know she met up with he rboyf on sat and she basically told him to go to hell kinda thing. I am sure she is fucking her boyf im under no illusions.

She doesnt see her boyfriend and barely spends time with him.

I do know where you are coming from though and everything you wrote in that paragraph I realised at one time or another. The thing is if she did play me for kicks why didnt she do it earlier? I dont think so. but we will see tonite.

I've gotta agree with my man minsok. I have read a few of his posts and frankly he seems like a seasoned vet.

Anyways, dude you are getting PLAYED like a SUCKER! From what your describing she is acting very weird and akward...I mean she will suck on your neck and tease you but not kiss you...makes NO sense...imo you should of called her on it right away.

I would say something like "great job getting me hot and bothered, but theres nothing worse them a woman who never finishes what she starts."

if you wanna get in her head, stop being such a pussy ass nice guy, bust her balls and don't let her get away with that bs!

Alright, JOHNNYBOY29, I just wanted to give you a realistic picture, since no-one else seems to have come to this conclusion yet. It sounds like you have your head on straight, but assuming that you're anything more than a plaything at this point seems a little unrealistic. Why didn't she come to you before? Maybe she and her boyfriend were still in the honeymoon phase and she didn't need the distraction. I hate ultimatums, but I think at this point you have to push her over the edge so she is cheating or you have to step out and tell her you're worth her full attention and you're not going to settle for less, depending on what you want.

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31 and still figuring it out.