1st field report. Comments and suggestions more than welcome!

Myself and four more PUAs decided to head on to Langham Place, Mong Kok to sarge. A relatively posh looking shopping mall in Hong Kong. The place was packed with HBs, the male to female ratio would be around 1:5.

My PUA friend and I open a few sets, then we head on to a small accessories store. It didn't seem to have that much traffic and there were two HBs in the store HBHiredGun and another HB. I entered the set first under the pretense of having to look for a necklace. The HBHiredGun's was covered with makeup, had thick eyeliner and was quite responsive. The other HB wasn't quite attractive to me...I just fluffed a bit, testing out a few necklaces. She offered to help me put them on, some kino there. Touching my neck occassionally, but that wasn't IOI because he probably does that a lot.

Wearing a necklace, my friend soon entered, my friend soon entered, he then we asked them whether the necklace and my earrings together made me look gay. HB Hired Gun laughed a bit while the other HB said that her BF had 2 piercings and it didn't make him look gay. She soon leaves after a while. We stay longer.

After testing out some necklaces she IOIs me. "Where did you learn Cantonese?" (I am a non-Chinese.) IT'S ON! I say "By watching television". She laughs, she doesn't believe me. Then I tease her by asking her "Where she learnt hers" (She's Chinese) She's taken aback but answers anyway.

After more fluff talk with moments of silence looking as though I'm interested in the necklaces? My friend goes, "Do you know where the coffee shop is here?...it has a piano?"..."There are lots of such coffees shops in Europe when I was there."...HB hired gun "Hmmm...not sure". Friends goes "I heard there is one here, my friend wants to propose to his girlfriend in a shop like that by playing a song and playing the piano." HB Hired Gun "Oh! That is romantic!". Me " I heard that is one in Chung King Mansion (shoddy place with lots of minorities, most locals don't dare enter)"...HB "Oh really?"..."Have you ever been there, whenever I go a bunch of salesmen follow me around"..."Oh, I used to work there near.."...I stop her and neg her "Oh really, what did you do there? Sell curry?!".."No, hahahah, I used to work near there, as a salesgirl."

We fluff talk after that, I might not have expressed it in this field report but she was investing quite a bit and was quite open. My friend tells me to number close, I hesitate and get a bit tensed. We then went about talking about our age, she said that I looked like in my mid twenties. I told her to guess my age. Then when she got it wrong I told her to guess again. Got her to jump into more hoops. She got them all wrong. Then I asked her her age~

After more comfort building I felt as though I fell into the friends zone! Then I suddenly go back to the Chung King Thread, since she said that even though she worked nearby she has never been there. I say, "since you've never been there, let's go together" I place my phone near her solar plexus. I feel very nervous, I'm certain my eyes showed that. She hesitates, her ASD turns on. In a cool tone she says "I don't give my number to anyone." She didn't seem insulted though. Then I go, after pushing for it one more time. "Alright fine, if you don't want to then nevermind!" After a bit my friend and I eject.

Room for improvement:

1) My friend stated that I spent too much time building comfort, didn't qualify her. There was no reason for her to go to somewhere else with me. He advised to simply mention "Hey, you seem quite fun, give me your number, when I come to this locale next time we should hang out." Mine's was too direct and didn't provide a reason for her to go with me.

2) Greater frame control, when going for the number the fear of rejection was quite high. Should maintain "abundance mentality".

3) Should've kinoed her. Most of the time she was kinoing me, albeit, she is a hired fun she seemed relaxed and was investing quite a bit.

4) A phone closing suggestion given to me by a friend today. Ask HB what her name is, enter it into the phone. then ask her for her number "Hey, what's your number, does it begin with a 9 or a 6?" if she doesn't give say it again. Usually they do then.


Thinking of going back to reopen this set soon, but this time I would have to buy a necklace if I do so.

i got the same response just the other night when i told her to give me her number and i did pretty much the same thing as u..just acted like it didn't bother me..i basically told her its her loss and moved on.

Hey rename,

Any comments or reflections from your perspective for our similar situation?

with my situation, i think its because i didn't create enough attraction, i hovered around the comfort stage too long and failed to escalate..i think your experience is kinda similar...from what i could see u did the same as me, but i could be wrong cos im still very new to this stuff but im just saying seeing as we got the same responses lol

this is easier said than done... but i would suggest this mindset when dealing a hired gun....

since she gets hit on all the time and dudes ask for her number theres no reason to be nervous. u layed down ur game and she might go for it, she might not. theres no shame in getn turned down by a hired gun. and since shes a hired gun she will be responsive, its a perfect opportunity to practice delivering your material to pretty chicks who WILL continue conversation. no AA cuz shes there waiting to get approached. (so are other girls but at least this one is being paid to)

Yes, Orion is right. Beautiful women and hired guns are used to getting approached and usually they will be friendly (unless you come off as too creepy) because they are well socialized. It may not necessarily mean they are interested, but since they are well socialized they will know how react to pretty much anything you say, AND they are very stealth at rejecting men kindly.

When dealing with a beautiful woman, the point is you have to put her in a situation she doesn't quite now how to react to since all other men will kiss her ass with compliments and such. That's where the PUA skills become useful.

As for your report:

--Her touching your neck to put on a necklace is kino in the literal sense of the word, but considering this is her job I don't think it's meaningful kino

--Do the earings and necklace make me look gay. This is a nice line. Breaks tension, makes girls laughs, expands the conversation.

--Where did you learn Cantonese. Again, good line. Funny. I use this line too with Japanese girls. I also say, "Damn! Your Japanse is good!"

--Did you work at the curry shop. Nice little neg there. It's good you had your wits about you to neg her. I sometimes get so caught up in a beautiful woman I forget to neg her. It is extremely important to do. Good job!

--Making her jump through hoops to guess your age. Excellent. Never give a girl a straight answer. Make her "earn" it. Just giving answers shows her you are compliant and easy. Making her jump through hoops is challenging for her and elicits more interest from her while adding more mystery to you which makes you more attractive.

--I don't give my number to anyone. The trick here is to just ignore what she says. Don't even react of respond to it. Just continue with another thread and then after a bit hand her your phone and say, "Okay, put your number in here" Or you could say something like,

You: If I was the president and I asked for your number you would give it to me.
Her: Yeah
You: Well, the president isn't coming today so you can give it to me instead

or

You: (joking) Look, I can't give you my number because I don't know who you are going to sell it to (as in spammers, etc). So you are going to have to give me yours. If you give me your number I will give you mine because I believe in equality in a relationship.

Good advice from clozer about the number close, wish this was posted earlier cos it could have really helped but now we know what to do if it happens again lol

@ 0RI0N ,

I appreciate your feedback! I agree with your viewpoint, they're definitely good for practice, but their reactions won't reflect the true emotions of most HBs since they possess above average social skills and are trained to cloak or reveal emotions that suit their roles as Hired Guns.

I must say, in Hong Kong, there are very few Chinese HB 8s or above and several PUAs in Hong Kong have stated this themselves. Hired Guns in international stores are usually HB8s or above, some models and some foreign-raised Chinese girls(at least the ones I've seen, ABCs, BBCs) are HB8s+. So hired gun game is definitely something that I'm growing to enjoy.

@ Clozer

Thanks for providing your feedback, it is much appreciated.

"When dealing with a beautiful woman, the point is you have to put her in a situation she doesn't quite now how to react to since all other men will kiss her ass with compliments and such."

Totally agreed, I went to another store afterwards and asked a HiredGun whether the metal chain or the leather necklace looked better on me. She mentioned that the leather one suited me better. I teased her by mentioning "So you're saying that I don't look good with metal?" in a cocky tone. Since, most customers won't do that here she seemed taken aback and when we said we're going to come back later I could see the look in her eyes that she had some attraction towards me. Not only because of this line, but the whole process from when I entered to what I did until I left.

"
You: If I was the president and I asked for your number you would give it to me.
Her: Yeah
You: Well, the president isn't coming today so you can give it to me instead

or

You: (joking) Look, I can't give you my number because I don't know who you are going to sell it to (as in spammers, etc). So you are going to have to give me yours. If you give me your number I will give you mine because I believe in equality in a relationship."

These are golden. I'm definitely using them!

Thanks again!!

definitely true, their reactions arent going to be typical of a HB9 or 10 in a club but its a way of getting used to delivering openers without fear of rejection.

for me, even if i have several openers i know im goin to use one night, until i have actually said them to someone in conversation it wont feel natural.. which im sure reflects in my delivery.

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i like the president line a lot but i wonder if i said a celebritys name instead would it be better... maybe not.

You: If I was george clooney and I asked for your number you would give it to me.
Her: Yeah
You: Well, george isn't coming today so you can give it to me instead

---kinda like im askin them to settle for me, like clooney is more interesting than me, maybe thats why u went with prez, so u dont compare urself to a good lookin rich guy --