Sand Bar in Chandler - so me and my wingman hit up sandbar around 7:00pm to catch the tail end of the finals game 4 and managed a few. We did some pre-drinking at another bar and each had a nice buzz on to eliminate any possible inhibitions from talking to women. I immediately went for the servers at the opening table and did the Murray Povich opening from the game. they played into it just as predicted and this gave some conversation with each of these girls. both were about HB7's. The one then I found out was like 17 so I moved on immediately and the other one I kept talking with until I felt I should move onto the bar and work the crowd. She was behind the counter so I could not get into a more seductive physical attraction with her so she went into her career as a school teacher etc. (boring shit I know). I then went onto the bar and my friend and I watched the game while he worked two girls next to him (hb5 with an hb8). I left a hole in the bar table which allowed women to come up and purchase drinks (this was unintentional) but I later was glad for it as I got a few openers (Muray Povich again). These women I could tell were not that interested which leads me into my next paragraph on questioning.

Here's one question I have. how many of you keep trying when you can tell the girl is not into you. see, the bar we did sets on was an older crowd. like 30-40 on average so most of the ladies would not be attracted to us by default. This made things difficult and because I'm not a gamber, or a lyons, we did as much as we could and hoped for some more initiation. Mostly though they were not interested and this was evident as small talk was all that happened. So how do we break into the area of getting these women attracted to us? what tips suggestions do you have for men in their twenties going for 30+?

thanks
jesse

jesse.. we might need to wing sometime.. I am out of scottsdale, I havent found anyone to wing with yet!

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