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How on Gods green Earth is it a good idea to say “I need you” to somebody who you are NOT in a relationship with, following a jealousy induced argument??


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How on Gods green Earth is it a good idea to say “I need you” to somebody who you are NOT in a relationship with, following a jealousy induced argument??
How is it not? Saying I need you is pretty much just saying "You are important to me" which implies that you want a relationship with this person. What is wrong with that?

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My goodness..

#1 it's very heavy
#2 it's a needy statement with hint of stalkerishness
#3 it's creepy, especially when not in an LTR
#4 it's scary, if my girlfriend said "I need you" to me, that would scare me almost as much as if she said "lets have kids, right now!!"
#5 it's the epitome of AFC-type (unattractive) behaviour

If you want a relationship with someone, tell them straight. Don't mess around with overly heavy/creepy statements. It's in the same league as asking someone for a relationship by writing them a love sonnet and giving them a diamond ring.


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My goodness..

#1 it's very heavy
#2 it's a needy statement with hint of stalkerishness
#3 it's creepy, especially when not in an LTR
#4 it's scary, if my girlfriend said "I need you" to me, that would scare me almost as much as if she said "lets have kids, right now!!"
#5 it's the epitome of AFC-type (unattractive) behaviour

If you want a relationship with someone, tell them straight. Don't mess around with overly heavy/creepy statements. It's in the same league as asking someone for a relationship by writing them a love sonnet and giving them a diamond ring.
Again, back to my first point.

Saying I need you does not necessarily convey the above messages to a girl. It depends on who is saying it, how he is saying it, who he is saying it to, and the context in which he says it in.

I'm simply just pointing out the other side of the coin, and this does not falsify any of the things you said (in fact, I agree with most of them).

What I'm doing is backing up what i said. Nothing more.

If you want a relationship with someone, tell them straight. I agree. It is not like I don't.

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Jelousy is a females trait big time!
Well, that is pretty sexist. Jealousy is an emotion that both guys and girls biologically possess. An undeniable and specific feeling (you can almost never mix up jealousy with any other emotions; when you feel jealous, you know it and it becomes hard to to rationalize your brain to believe otherwise).

The only reason your generalization could be true is that girls tend to value their relationships with people more, and since the level of jealousy depends on your level of value for this person, girls just seem to be better displayers. Therefore, believe me, guys can and do get as jealous as girls. Guys just better hide their emotions.
Thats funny because i find it the complete opposite. There have been countless times where I made the mistake of showing jelousy regarding a girl, all it did was make the girl avoid me. I see what you are trying to do, you're trying to be politically correct, but let me tell you my friend this is reality. Yes, emotions are biologically embeded in our brains, but I believe with practice you can overcome those feelings and realize that thats all they are, feelings. Just because we are born with something does not mean we need it, we can adapt. For example you're born with an appendix, but you dont necesserily use it. No one on this forum is suggesting that human interaction has to be robotic and linear. This forum was created so that people whom are socially inferior, can learn to addapt and have successful interactions with women.

PS> By socially inferior I mean inexperienced compared to the general demographic.


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Jelousy is a females trait big time!
Well, that is pretty sexist. Jealousy is an emotion that both guys and girls biologically possess. An undeniable and specific feeling (you can almost never mix up jealousy with any other emotions; when you feel jealous, you know it and it becomes hard to to rationalize your brain to believe otherwise).

The only reason your generalization could be true is that girls tend to value their relationships with people more, and since the level of jealousy depends on your level of value for this person, girls just seem to be better displayers. Therefore, believe me, guys can and do get as jealous as girls. Guys just better hide their emotions.
Thats funny because i find it the complete opposite. There have been countless times where I made the mistake of showing jelousy regarding a girl, all it did was make the girl avoid me. I see what you are trying to do, you're trying to be politically correct, but let me tell you my friend this is reality. Yes, emotions are biologically embeded in our brains, but I believe with practice you can overcome those feelings and realize that thats all they are, feelings. Just because we are born with something does not mean we need it, we can adapt. For example you're born with an appendix, but you dont necesserily use it. No one on this forum is suggesting that human interaction has to be robotic and linear. This forum was created so that people whom are socially inferior, can learn to addapt and have successful interactions with women.
You can't overcome feelings "once you have them happening at that very moment"(you can't simply tell your feelings "hey go away", and it does), but you can teach yourself to have lower affinity for such feelings (adapt/learn which someone also pointed out.) Is this the point you are trying to make? because I agree with it.


"Just because we are born with something does not mean we need it, we can adapt"

I never implied that jealousy was a feeling we needed. All I said was saying is to be truthful about your feelings. Now that is truth. Then will you be able to overcome it. (by realizing what made you jealous, and thinking about it) That's what I was suggesting.


"There have been countless times where I made the mistake of showing jelousy regarding a girl, all it did was make the girl avoid me."

Oh well, you can show that you are jealous, but do it playfully lol. Again, jealousy is attraction killer in most cases.

Lastly, just a little other side of coin thingy again, there are some cases you can show jealousy to create a little attraction. I think it is like when you want to appear cutish to a girl, and the girl will go say something like "awww, he's so cute. He's jealous."(I've imagined this happening)

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Well, that is pretty sexist. Jealousy is an emotion that both guys and girls biologically possess. An undeniable and specific feeling (you can almost never mix up jealousy with any other emotions; when you feel jealous, you know it and it becomes hard to to rationalize your brain to believe otherwise).

The only reason your generalization could be true is that girls tend to value their relationships with people more, and since the level of jealousy depends on your level of value for this person, girls just seem to be better displayers. Therefore, believe me, guys can and do get as jealous as girls. Guys just better hide their emotions.
Thats funny because i find it the complete opposite. There have been countless times where I made the mistake of showing jelousy regarding a girl, all it did was make the girl avoid me. I see what you are trying to do, you're trying to be politically correct, but let me tell you my friend this is reality. Yes, emotions are biologically embeded in our brains, but I believe with practice you can overcome those feelings and realize that thats all they are, feelings. Just because we are born with something does not mean we need it, we can adapt. For example you're born with an appendix, but you dont necesserily use it. No one on this forum is suggesting that human interaction has to be robotic and linear. This forum was created so that people whom are socially inferior, can learn to addapt and have successful interactions with women.
You can't overcome feelings "once you have them happening at that very moment"(you can't simply tell your feelings "hey go away", and it does), but you can teach yourself to have lower affinity for such feelings (adapt/learn which someone also pointed out.) Is this the point you are trying to make? because I agree with it.


"Just because we are born with something does not mean we need it, we can adapt"

I never implied that jealousy was a feeling we needed. All I said was saying is to be truthful about your feelings. Now that is truth. Then will you be able to overcome it. (by realizing what made you jealous, and thinking about it) That's what I was suggesting.


"There have been countless times where I made the mistake of showing jelousy regarding a girl, all it did was make the girl avoid me."

Oh well, you can show that you are jealous, but do it playfully lol. Again, jealousy is attraction killer in most cases.

Lastly, just a little other side of coin thingy again, there are some cases you can show jealousy to create a little attraction. I think it is like when you want to appear cutish to a girl, and the girl will go say something like "awww, he's so cute. He's jealous."(wtf kind of example, but w/e) u get the point.
I understand where you are coming from, I use to think very similarly until i was hurt bad enough to force a change in my behavior. Its unfortunate that this happens but it is true.

The worst mistake ive ever made was I had a HB8.5 for new years eve, I had her all to myself. Another guy at the same party starts sarging her, I showed jelousy by getting angry and then when she asked me this final question it completely ruined the night and she ended up going home with the other guy.

She asked if I was jelous of the other guy.

I answered yes. Not because he was better looking but because he seemed to posess certain qualities around women that i lacked.

BIGGG MISTAKE.


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Thats funny because i find it the complete opposite. There have been countless times where I made the mistake of showing jelousy regarding a girl, all it did was make the girl avoid me. I see what you are trying to do, you're trying to be politically correct, but let me tell you my friend this is reality. Yes, emotions are biologically embeded in our brains, but I believe with practice you can overcome those feelings and realize that thats all they are, feelings. Just because we are born with something does not mean we need it, we can adapt. For example you're born with an appendix, but you dont necesserily use it. No one on this forum is suggesting that human interaction has to be robotic and linear. This forum was created so that people whom are socially inferior, can learn to addapt and have successful interactions with women.
You can't overcome feelings "once you have them happening at that very moment"(you can't simply tell your feelings "hey go away", and it does), but you can teach yourself to have lower affinity for such feelings (adapt/learn which someone also pointed out.) Is this the point you are trying to make? because I agree with it.


"Just because we are born with something does not mean we need it, we can adapt"

I never implied that jealousy was a feeling we needed. All I said was saying is to be truthful about your feelings. Now that is truth. Then will you be able to overcome it. (by realizing what made you jealous, and thinking about it) That's what I was suggesting.


"There have been countless times where I made the mistake of showing jelousy regarding a girl, all it did was make the girl avoid me."

Oh well, you can show that you are jealous, but do it playfully lol. Again, jealousy is attraction killer in most cases.

Lastly, just a little other side of coin thingy again, there are some cases you can show jealousy to create a little attraction. I think it is like when you want to appear cutish to a girl, and the girl will go say something like "awww, he's so cute. He's jealous."(wtf kind of example, but w/e) u get the point.
I understand where you are coming from, I use to think very similarly until i was hurt bad enough to force a change in my behavior. Its unfortunate that this happens but it is true.

The worst mistake ive ever made was I had a HB8.5 for new years eve, I had her all to myself. Another guy at the same party starts sarging her, I showed jelousy by getting angry and then when she asked me this final question it completely ruined the night and she ended up going home with the other guy.

She asked if I was jelous of the other guy.

I answered yes. Not because he was better looking but because he seemed to posess certain qualities around women that i lacked.

BIGGG MISTAKE.
So, you rather tell her "No. I was not jealous" . That's lying straight up front to her, even worst. After the girl asked you that, you should have not answered, and just like hug her, and bring her into your car.

He may possess certain qualities that you believe you don't have, but at the same time you also possess certain qualities that he doesn't.

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You can't overcome feelings "once you have them happening at that very moment"(you can't simply tell your feelings "hey go away", and it does), but you can teach yourself to have lower affinity for such feelings (adapt/learn which someone also pointed out.) Is this the point you are trying to make? because I agree with it.


"Just because we are born with something does not mean we need it, we can adapt"

I never implied that jealousy was a feeling we needed. All I said was saying is to be truthful about your feelings. Now that is truth. Then will you be able to overcome it. (by realizing what made you jealous, and thinking about it) That's what I was suggesting.


"There have been countless times where I made the mistake of showing jelousy regarding a girl, all it did was make the girl avoid me."

Oh well, you can show that you are jealous, but do it playfully lol. Again, jealousy is attraction killer in most cases.

Lastly, just a little other side of coin thingy again, there are some cases you can show jealousy to create a little attraction. I think it is like when you want to appear cutish to a girl, and the girl will go say something like "awww, he's so cute. He's jealous."(wtf kind of example, but w/e) u get the point.
I understand where you are coming from, I use to think very similarly until i was hurt bad enough to force a change in my behavior. Its unfortunate that this happens but it is true.

The worst mistake ive ever made was I had a HB8.5 for new years eve, I had her all to myself. Another guy at the same party starts sarging her, I showed jelousy by getting angry and then when she asked me this final question it completely ruined the night and she ended up going home with the other guy.

She asked if I was jelous of the other guy.

I answered yes. Not because he was better looking but because he seemed to posess certain qualities around women that i lacked.

BIGGG MISTAKE.
So, you rather tell her "No. I was not jealous" . That's lying straight up front to her, even worst. After the girl asked you that, you should have not answered, and just like hug her, and bring her into your car.

He may possess certain qualities that you believe you don't have, but at the same time you also possess certain qualities that he doesn't.
Yeah but the tables have turned since then :) I find him to be an AFC now, he tried to do the same thing and sleep with my ex girlfriend behind my back, which he couldnt. So out of spite i went and sarged his girlfriend and her friend and had a threesome with them. He saw the pics, called me and swore at me hehe! It was satisfying but at the same time degrading because i had to stoop that low.


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I understand where you are coming from, I use to think very similarly until i was hurt bad enough to force a change in my behavior. Its unfortunate that this happens but it is true.

The worst mistake ive ever made was I had a HB8.5 for new years eve, I had her all to myself. Another guy at the same party starts sarging her, I showed jelousy by getting angry and then when she asked me this final question it completely ruined the night and she ended up going home with the other guy.

She asked if I was jelous of the other guy.

I answered yes. Not because he was better looking but because he seemed to posess certain qualities around women that i lacked.

BIGGG MISTAKE.
So, you rather tell her "No. I was not jealous" . That's lying straight up front to her, even worst. After the girl asked you that, you should have not answered, and just like hug her, and bring her into your car.

He may possess certain qualities that you believe you don't have, but at the same time you also possess certain qualities that he doesn't.
Yeah but the tables have turned since then :) I find him to be an AFC now, he tried to do the same thing and sleep with my ex girlfriend behind my back, which he couldnt. So out of spite i went and sarged his girlfriend and her friend and had a threesome with them. He saw the pics, called me and swore at me hehe! It was satisfying but at the same time degrading because i had to stoop that low.
haha.. nice. lol.

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