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 Post subject: Issues!
PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 4:29 pm 
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Hey guys, let me break this down.
Girl was in a relationship for 4 years prior to me.
I start seeing her after shes been single for 6 months.
We date for 1 month, she breaks down and tells me she feels like the falling back into the same rutine she had in the LTR. Not what she wants.
I console and suggest we drop the BF/GF label. She agrees, all is well.
So label dropped we keep hanging out fucking etc. like nothing has changed.
1 Month later "The connection isnt there anymore" txt message after a not so getting along day. Ok ive been making mistakes, not the most savy relationship dude, ill admit.
I'm a wreck, dont contact her for 3 days, read the Ex2 system.
Next time talk to her i dropped the "it was a good idea we broke up, maybe im not the right guys for you, id hate it if this breakup ruined our friendship" speech.
Works, she calls me a day later asking me to pick my stuff up, than drops it on me that she still wants to "do things" and we fuck. I tell her she means alot to me, she cries. I leave.
1 Month later she tells me she wants to stop having sex period, im the only guy shes seeing (or so i think) and shes telling me she has to try to stop fucking.

Ok, i know eventually im gonna get her in the situation where shes begging for me to fuck her, (shes prettymuch a nymph) this has happened before, i told her shes gonna regret this decision because i will litterally not fuck her when shes begging for it, just because she wants to try not having dick. And i like to make her beg for it. But still thats just cruel, and its hard to pass up. She said to me that no guy will shut her down. NO SHIT! we are guy's, we have sex every chance we get! Her body is screaming yes but her mind is telling her no. Guys, a little help, wtf is going on here? She just bought a dildo so she obviously plans to do herself, she just doesnt want a dude to fuck her. What am i missing here?

Oh yeah, she still wants to kiss, cuddle, suck my dick, hang out and do things. Just no pussy play, none what so ever, by my hands, tung or penis...


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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 11:52 pm 
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I have had a girlfriend for almost a month now and just found out she smokes dirty cigs. This really bugs me how can I get her to stop? We are both young around 16.


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I have had a girlfriend for almost a month now and just found out she smokes dirty cigs. This really bugs me how can I get her to stop? We are both young around 16.
You can't really, especially at that age, both around 16eh, so really 15 ;)

Something you've gotta deal with if you want her.

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I have had a girlfriend for almost a month now and just found out she smokes dirty cigs. This really bugs me how can I get her to stop? We are both young around 16.
You can't really, especially at that age, both around 16eh, so really 15 ;)

Something you've gotta deal with if you want her.
Well I'm 17 shes 15 I just said around 16 to make things easier. She said she only does it in the summer and because her friends do it...


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poet1234 punishing in verbal mode only make things harder - in most cases - . From a evolutionary perspective.. if you can't handle her shit by being reactive ( being emotional ) you probably can't handle her kids as well - you can react if you aren't emotionally invested into the conversation. it's not the end of the relationship if you react just don't do it too often.... she isn't a little kid - punish her behaviour.... being emotional and qualifying into a relationship which isn't stable could be a killer.

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whenever i talk to girls i usually have a good way to enter and be part of the conversation. however, this shortly dies down and i have no understanding of carrying the conversation. im 16 right now so i guess some things i coud talk about wouldnt be relevant. apparently i tend to focus my attention about me, which is probably the worst thing i could do. so bro i hope you can help me on this

the reason i also ask is that im scared that im in a relationship and shell eventually find me boring and end the relationship.
(when i was 16 )I've met girls who were much more boring than me, if a girl tells you're boring - so what ? Maybe she's just shit testing you - don't take it personal straight away and certainly don't take it too serious - just take it as positive critisism for improving yourself. some people have a different sense/way of humour and perhaps may find you boring because you don't supply them with their type of communication.

and above all .. your just 16... you don't know shit when your 16 ( in comparison with 21 year ones) , this gives you a excuse to do things which most people don't do. you shouldn't worry about it it's a growing phase and everyone goes through it. The more you do (what you like) , the more first hand experiences you have to enrich your life. Also realize most girls don't do shit in comparison to most ''PUA'' guys , girls just sit at a table and wait for a guy to approach them - they are reactive and they certainly don't go for what they want.
Most girls i had relationships with were pretty boring... i think most people are ... because they don't express themselfs properly.

Learn to entertain yourself , don't sit behind the computer all day and don't watch too much TV. Instead of getting external stimulation try to stimulate yourself - make your life fun by having postive conversations with yourself ( in your head ). Whenever you have boring conversations with people - when you are listening try to make it fun - try to verbally counter with jokes. Entertain yourself first other people come second .

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draw a line ... she can't smoke in your house , keep saying'' smoking is disgusting.''
When she tries to lure you into a fight or conversation - don't give in .... just reply ''hey it's my opinion''. you can't really force her into stopping her but keep pressing you opinion whenever she smokes.

the reason why people smoke is because they get pleasure out of it no matter how unhealthy and disgusting it is. The pleasure is social acceptance from people who also smoke , the pleasure factor is bigger than the pain factor. If you somehow get her to associate pain to smoking by telling her facts about how unhealthy it is you can influence her into stopping - but at the end .. it's her decision.

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unconciously she's attracted to you and she is having some obsessive factors regarding sex. From experience... i had a girl who didn't want to kiss before sex and after sex so many people have different criteria for doing certain things.
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Her body is screaming yes but her mind is telling her no
this is how many woman are ... emotional creatures which respond to most physical stimulation.

she wants a relationship that is clear, she just isn't expressing it, she tries to lure you into investing. If you invest in the right way she can backward rationalize reasons to stick with you - that's why she doesn't have sex because if sex is the only reason ... well... you understand. if you don't agree to do other things the ''relationship'' will probably fail - or it can go through strange curves and try to make you jealous by doing other guys.

she doesn't apply a meaning to the relationship in a logical sense , it's just like taking a girls home for the first time... you don't tell her you are going to have sex you have to give her a reason to take the responsibilty off her '' i have cool tropical fish at home blabla you wanna see '' . ( plausible deniability). also she wants to make you responsible if it fails , so she has to deal with less bad emotions. We men maybe only need logical reasons... woman need emotional and logical reasons tho emotions tend to come first. She's attracted but also needs concious reasons to hook up.

sex is temporarily -'' the pink goggles '' ... , she's just someone who doesn't know how her emotions work....

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 Post subject: Re: QQ
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I have had a girlfriend for almost a month now and just found out she smokes dirty cigs. This really bugs me how can I get her to stop? We are both young around 16.
You can't really, especially at that age, both around 16eh, so really 15 ;)

Something you've gotta deal with if you want her.
Well I'm 17 shes 15 I just said around 16 to make things easier. She said she only does it in the summer and because her friends do it...
you cant change her or make her stop it, all you can do is bring it up that it bugs you a bit...but leave it at that, dont try to manipulate nor force her to quit otherwise your gonna end up pushing her away or shell just do it behind your back and the lies will begin...if it really bothers you that much you might wanna think of moving on and being with someone that doesnt.


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Thats actually what i was looking for, but you seem to be on the right track my friend :) I see you have a very similar mind set as mine, except im younger and gained this knowledge through reading rather than experience. Not saying that i lack experience but acknowledging the fact that you are a wiser man :).


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Lodewijkp your relationship advice has been a good read so far. Just a quick one though, when you mention not being reactive (emotional) what context to you mean this in? can you give some specific examples or go into a little bit more detail for me. as i often hear not to be reactive, but cant understand how you cannot be emotonal as a human being

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i was persuing another girl before my current one, only for like a week, and we were strictly friends and nothing happened.
me and my current gf have been together for about 2 years now and we keep having arguments every couple of months where she says the only reason im with her is because i couldnt get with the previous girl (i could, and had the opportunity to, gf doesnt know that) and my gf says she is the second choice and that she sees us being together forever but doesnt think itll happen cos its like were stuck in a rut, shes the second choice and the foundation is wrong
advice? she couldnt be more wrong


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Lodewijkp your relationship advice has been a good read so far. Just a quick one though, when you mention not being reactive (emotional) what context to you mean this in? can you give some specific examples or go into a little bit more detail for me. as i often hear not to be reactive, but cant understand how you cannot be emotonal as a human being

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its not necessarily that your not emotional, KNOW what emotions are within you and experiencing but the difference is. once you know what your feeling you are better able to control your reaction, or better yet not have a reaction at all. Its you unconsciously reacting that causes more pain than needed. Your still human because you feel the emotions, but you that much better because your not letting your emotions dictate your reactions or behavior. hope i helped even though lodewijkp will be able to do a better job.


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Lodewijkp your relationship advice has been a good read so far. Just a quick one though, when you mention not being reactive (emotional) what context to you mean this in? can you give some specific examples or go into a little bit more detail for me. as i often hear not to be reactive, but cant understand how you cannot be emotonal as a human being
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immaculate42 says enough..... You can experience emotions but it doesn't mean you have to express them.

Being emotional is not a weakness ... it's only when you express your emotions in a certain way which can effect your life in a negative way. As a kid when you have candy and i steal it you probably become angry and so forth. Same with reacting to people , you only react emotionally if you perceive them as value - reacting angry is a huge turnoff for most people, i've seen it in the club and on other locations. When you react angry on someones comment or neg ( like you want to punch them or just plain angry) you are expressing your emotions ; the problem is you are easily affected emotionally.

You are a threat in the enviroment ( the club as example ) because you want to start a fight and everyone notices it thus you endanger their state. People experience good emotions and now you are in their focus as a threat because you draw alot of attention. The good emotions other people are experiencing are now decreasing because they focus on a threat to the collective well being ( since they experience their own and other good emotions as value ).
You might entertain some dudes with your behaviour but most woman are turned off by it.

2. The guy who shows his emotions thus revealing his psychological weakness is prone to be weeded out of existence from a evolutionary perspective , you have a possiblity guys will hammer you with stones but you can also ask for it by expressing without calibration and logic. Men who are easily affected and can't control their emotions will lose control - some of them punch woman and so forth -the reason why woman congruence test you is not only because they want to know if you being real and congruent ( not setting up a fake identity to impress ) but also if you can deal with a variety of emotions.
When you react to this other dude who is negging you ( you become angry etc) you perceive him as value because you care, when you treat someone who is of value ( in your perception).. .well ... how would woman perceive it / respond to it?
-- if someone is dominant in your RES wether negative or positive you are reacting, guys who are totally gay do not focus on woman thus woman are not in their RES and they are not assigning value to the object/person or interaction.... this is why alot of girls like to talk to gay dudes because most of them are emotionally unaffected when communicating with woman - this is also the reason why most girls are attracted to gay dudes because they can express themselfs and feel safe.

The most attractive feat in general is being social or being capable of dealing with social situations ( personally being rooted in yourself and knowing what you value is more important to me )because that's one of the human strengths - we developed as a social cohesive species. Being the source of good emotions is one of the highest value when picking up woman ... you can be the biggest nerd you can be the biggest chode BUT if you are the source of good emotions and you are not reacting you probably could pickup a variety of woman straight away.
Static confidence ( confidence based on internal factors instead of external like other people ) or core confidence + ability to spike emotions + being unreactive is just badass ...... you can compete with celebrities for woman when possessing these traits.

there is just one paradox here ..... When you are affected by others .. it's reactive ... but what if i express good emotions to other people ?
Well expressing alot of good emotions can also be a disadvantage because it can look like you are trying to convey or persuade someone thus it's also reactive because the person you are interacting with can rationalize you are trying to pick them up.....when im going out i also interacts with guys and girls im not attracted to, i actually talk to alot of guys - when your giving good emotions to anyone it's less likely people will think you are trying to pick them up. The more space you take up at one indivdual the more value you unconciously assign to this person because you got a reason to interact with them .... ''value - wether good emotions or attention ''
expressing ''bad'' emotions is a huge turnoff but expressing good emotions is a favorable trait as long you don't do it because other persons are putting you in state. When you are getting good emotions because a woman is giving you affirmation or attention you are also reactive.... you should express good emotions without someones permission - you should be enjoying yourself because you like yourself and not because someone is enjoying you.
It's ok to feel good emotions when interacting with woman there is nothing wrong with it and it's a bonus.

reacting vs unreacting ( conversation output vs input ) You have certain volumes or percentages in a interaction , somebody is always reacting more.
you could be reacting 80 % ... or 50 % ... maybe even less, if you are reacting 50 % and the other person is reacting 50 % thus it's equal you probably have 2 very enlightened individuals who are both the source of good emotions.
You don't have to be unreactive all the time you just don't want to be more reactive than the other person - and if you are reacting too much you can change the conversational input/output %. be aware when you are reacting too much - because what happens very often is you react a few times and it becomes a repeative behavioural pattern , so be aware but don't be afraid to react.

in relationships it's very different.... i would react sometimes just because i would allow myself to do it. i would not react in relationships of 2 or 5 months... probably only in long existing relationships. The truth is you don't know people in a short period of time and from experience you sometimes don't know people after 6 months ... they could have put up these fake indentities because they perceive you as value and they want to impress you no matter what - she wants to look like the virgin mary just for your validation.
And when she doesn't value you anymore her real personality emerges, she does bad shit .. she cheats or something and you are like '' how could she so this to me '' . Don't react 100 % to person who you don't know , don't react 100 % to persons you have 6 month relationships with. When you are a open door people can manipulate you instead of you they are the ones who are taking control of your emotions ( most people are unconcious of it ) and she takes control of the relationship.

don't be a open door because you are in love , you had sex or you are having a 6 month relationship.
Don't engage woman (or people in general) who are reacting 100 % to you ... they want something from you - if you have a relationship with someone who is 100 % reactive you will become chode/AFCísh as well over a longer period of time, they say enviroment is a deciding factor regarding your behaviour and im certain enviroments are influencing you all the time.
Instead approach people who are not interested in you because that's probably their real personality - maybe even if they say fuck you or whatever. Woman who want dick are not trustworthy because woman are everywhere , woman who desperately need boyfriend need dick would go for everything... woman who value dick in general as their top priority are not trustworthy woman.
I do not like dick liking woman.. because i don't like dick - we don't share the same ideals.

I hook up with everyone... dating girls just because im doing research and i need reference experiences for writing my book + you have only one life and if you can get good sex you shouldn't have to turn away from that offer - just don't get into relationships with broken doorknobs like i do.[/u]

one last advice ... don't beat yourself when picking up girls , rather beat yourself up when you can't maintain a relationship. if you only pickup 10 % instead of 30 % it doesn't mean you are less capable of picking up woman - don't look at the result or number ... Look at the process and quality. pickup less garbage girls and alley cats, interact with garbage girls for the skills only.

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i was persuing another girl before my current one, only for like a week, and we were strictly friends and nothing happened.
me and my current gf have been together for about 2 years now and we keep having arguments every couple of months where she says the only reason im with her is because i couldnt get with the previous girl (i could, and had the opportunity to, gf doesnt know that) and my gf says she is the second choice and that she sees us being together forever but doesnt think itll happen cos its like were stuck in a rut, shes the second choice and the foundation is wrong
advice? she couldnt be more wrong
she feels like a second choice ... it's her issue and not yours - she's insecure.
She thinks she isn't worth it .. having a relationship with you and unconciously she thinks she deserves worse.
first be honest with yourself ... is she a second choice or not ... would you rather hookup with the other girl ? if you like to keep your relationship it's better not making a problem out of it ... just tell her it's her issue ]and her own insecurities and tell her the reason why you picked her.
don't reassure her because that shit doesn't help ... just jolt her and make it her own responsibilty since it are her own thoughts and emotions. the worst thing you can do is taking responsibility because if you do she probably perceive it like you are Acknowledging the problem which is created in her own head in the first place.

again some girl who wants to feel special and enhanced just to fuckover the girl next door.... some people want to feel better than other people....

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