Right I'm sorry guys but mystery is just wrong. Shyness around women is not natural. Developing a shyness around women is, but women intimidating men is not natural. Its just not right. Your beliefs are your limits, and if you believe every guy gets nervous around women than your fucking wrong. Its just not true, there are plenty of guys who don't get half as nervous as you around women. Its not natural, to be not getting laid at least once a week. I'm beginning to realise that. There is nothing wrong with me, just like with you guys, your all fucking right.

Listen, the jerk gets laid because he shows strength, he shows strength because he's a jerk, and hes not afraid around women or around men. Treat women like they are objects! You see, to a women, when she's treated like she's an object she thinks she's being treated like a women!!!! So you see, your wrong, stop taking advice off women, they will never understand you. No women can understand a man. So why take their advice, you've got to take guys advice, not a womens. They don't understand your perspective. They don't understand where your coming from! They don't get you!

Take my advice, do treat them like objects, stop being so damn scared of them. Stop panicking around them, treat them like their women! Because they are! Not like men! Like there objects to enjoy, to flirt, to fuck. This isn't badboy 101, its the beginning of the path. Take direction in your life, follow whatever you want to do. And if you want to be the best with women, than there you go! Just like with football you've got to practise. How dp ypu practise with women? Finding out what works, what cheers them up, what do women like??? You bad with women cos you don't understand them, not like I do, but like you don't understand where your going wrong. Then dont sit! Make decisions go, move, figure out how you can become better with women.

iv always been scared since Catholic school... YOUR WRONG!

I'm new to PUA and never read anything by a master pickup artist yet, including Mystery. I never had a girlfirend and shouldn't say anything.

But please!
Have you even studied High School biology???

I don't wish to judge but how come someone who doesn't even have a high reputation on a website tell one of the leading motivational speakers in the WORLD and a master PUA that he is wrong, lol your wrong my friend fear and nerves is natural its built into our DNA and is demonstrated everywhere...

even in the animal kingdom males seem to rule until you piss a girl off or start fighting over her, and the females are always more dominant if they have to be fear of this fear of knowing this is natural no matter your up bringing or knowledge even the best of the best PUA still get nervous weather they will choose to admit it or not its always there while your doing your thing...

the only thing that can be taught it dealing with it better and weather you let it affect you or not

Mystery isnt absolute science. For some it will work for others it will not.

I'm not a fanboy of the MM but obviously guys out there are. I'm not starting a bash war so i'm just saying guys respect that some person might have another point of view then you do.

MM isn't absolute science into becoming a mPUA or actually a PUA. It can become part of your personal toolbox. If you desire this is yet another question i'm not going to anwser. Nothing wrong with mixing methods or learning the different methods out there.

If you dont loose yourself in the process of adaption alls good.

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"fear and Nerves is naturally built into our DNA" who's contesting that? But going out with the belief that women have all this status, and you the man have fuck all is fucking wrong. This nob head idea that we're hardwired to a tribe mentality is fucking ridiculous. It tells vulnerable guys bullshit methods of 'figuring out' status within a group. Basically, your low status so lets pretend your not by learning all these lines!

How can our brains be 'out of date' if we have spent so much time evolving into different social situations? Look at your life, you live a life that has fuck all to do with tribes, you have electricty, tools, you consume food. The world has changed and so do humans. A hundred years ago men used to find ankles attractive. Now are you telling me that your worries around women aren't socially built into you? Or are they, as mystery states, hardwired into your brain.

The infamous "I'm shit scared of women" Wire found in the brain.

There are plenty of men, obviously not like you, who hardly bat an eyelid when it comes to approaching women. Surely, newbies should find ways to be like them, to develop confidence.

I'm sorry, but what is the point of this whole thread? Whether or not shyness is natural isn't even relevant in my book. The fact is that people on this forum have made a commitment to change who they are currently into what they would like to be. Most people here (myself included) are tired of being lonely due to their own shyness, and because of that are focusing on ramping up their social skills to help improve their overall confidence in dealing with life.

Stop focusing on the problem....focus on the solution.

I can't be arsed, but here goes.... It down to temperament. Some people are risk takers, and some are disposed to anxiety. It is likely that there is an anxious disposition hardwired into the brains of most people. Mystery seems to have taken this theory from theories on social anxiety. People get scared to leave their houses and interact with people at all. It is likely that this is not culturally learned but is down to a fear based perception of the world, which is probably innate. This can be observed in some young children who are more fearful and reserved than others.

In any case, we are all in the same boat. Someone said stop focusing on the problem. This is kind of right. Personally it helps me to view the mind as being a shitty piece of software because it is. Whether or not culrual factors also play a part (and they do) makes no difference. It is pointless to get caught up in these theories, but make your focus challenging your fears.

So wouldn't that mean that no man can ever understand a woman either? That's way too black and white.

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Oh... really?

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I know what mystery said about approach anxiety being natural. He wasn't saying fear of women is natural, but specifically approach anxiety. Its if you are a cave man and you try to take a woman, other men might attack you. Thats the fear, not actually fear of women themselves.

How about we consider this: Is it possible that our friend Mystery might be saying "being shy around girls is natural" just so the AFCs can get a little bit of encouragement and boost their morale a little bit?

In other words, IT MIGHT BE JUST A PLACEBO.

Rune is right, people think too damn much.

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It's different for all guys... but I feel in a general sense that Mystery is right.

I'm pretty sure anxiety and acting on anxiety is natural, at least in today's society. I agree than probably the first human beings didn't have to read any books or build up self confidence to talk to girls and mate. Today women are much more beautiful, more complex than 12 thousand years ago, and there are WAY more people on this planet looking to get laid (NOT reproduce but just sex). I strongly agree and disagree with some of your opinions. Shyness is natural, in our society now, we are groomed that way but after a while it became embedded in our customs and genes. Even PUG say that AA never goes away they can just deal with it. The jerk gets laid because he acts like a dominant, masculine, and powerful man. They don't give a shit what chicks think about him because he was just raised that way.

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I was waiting for this post. I was waiting for someone to bring up the caveman argument. It has to happen in every single thread