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No you are not esotheric, i think the same way, just in this case don't really know because he decrase/increase, depend on the time, now this feeling vanish after i speak to her (and i asked her about the red flag (i know...) said me it was a kind of joke... ) we will see, but i know that after this story, if it end bad, i will always trust this feeling.

(and i don't know if you know, but there is an author who speak about this, but kinda in a magic way, hum William Burroughs, in his essai, if it can interest you)
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ok iv been seeing this girl for about a month now she is great and i really like her,
but already it seems like its losing its flare and im thinking about other girls.. this always happens what are some ways to keep a relationship ah passionate?

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6 / 7 years is a long time , she sees some value in you otherwise she wouldn't maintain contact. What she wants is unclear and it could be a unconcious act - maybe there is no ''real love '' involved. Maybe she is having regret or doubt but that is totally unimportant, she decided to end it so why should there be secondary motives to restart ?
Look you care about this person that is crystal clear but what if she finds someone else ? chances are she finds someone else wether you have contact or no contact, but do you want to hear and see she has found someone else ?

There is a whole female psychology thing about why woman stay in touch with ex-boyfriends but it isn't important , what is important ? your actions and choices right now are something which is important and they shouldn't be influenced by someone else - or even worse ..if you create a gestalt - a unrealistic thought of getting back together (which often happens when people agree to land into friendship zone) , you can live without talking /contacting her no matter how important she is , you got certain assocations in your mind which are directed to her.

Everytime she contacts you you have a harder time moving on because she activates those neuro-assocations in relationship with memories, unwiring takes a long time when someone is making you remember or making you feel something. It does not mean you have to cut her out of your life , just realize what impact/influence it's having on you you

Now the hard part..... Right now she thinks about you and right now you have certain value , if she meets a new guy do you really think she thinks about you ? probably not ..... she probably wear that dress you gave her when she is going out with him and she probably unconciously repeat certain moments at certain places you two have shared - but this time with this new guy. You have also to be realistic, people invest time and energy because:
1. they have invested alot already
2. they get something out of the relationship
3. they didn't find anything better yet
when she finds a new guy do you want to talk to her and listen to her stories about how great he is ? what if she dates some big AFC chode ?

She ended the relationship because of the long distance and so forth but also because she is egocentric....she probably want to have a good time - not thinking about you and dating with other guys. She said somekind of ''fuck you '' and faces with big world. You only end something if you want something else and that's it... she's not only doing it because she thinks it's better for someone else because that's just a excuse to rationalize it 4 yourself , the first motives of people are concious or unconcious ; '' what do i get out of it ''.
what does she gets out of it by ending the relationship ? ......

out of experience; being friends with ex-GFs is never a good idea in the first place because sometimes they dump you in a harsh way and they probably land a new boyfriend in a week or 2 while you are being miserable hearing stories about how they are in love and so forth. they are telling you to get attention but also to fuck you over and make you jealous. You should decide what to do , if you decide to stay in contact you should DO IT FOR YOU ONLY , you should not doing it because of her or anything regarding external factors. if you have any thoughts about her when questioning yourself it's probably better to cut her out of your life , you should make choices in life for you and you only and not because of some ex-girlfriend.

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i guess i deceived myself into believing that there is true love, maybe it was just my hopeless romantic in me or maybe there is true love and im just going about it the wrong way?
there is no such thing as real love... because there is no one real love - you can love everyone as to the max if you hypnotize yourself in loving someone. Emotions get rationalized in certain thoughts but you can also think something and get emotions from the thought alone. you have people who love object and you have people who love trees - some of them are normally healthy people ....

in my opinion there is only one thing ; needyness because if you know real love you didn't need to have a woman. If you know what real love is you could generate it and love yourself , you can generate love yourself or you can get love.
If i could choose i would choose for not understanding love and keeping it mysterious because not knowing interest me the most , after you know things you already know it and you can't find out anymore....

however if you know what love is and how it works you realize there is no perfect partner and because you know other peoples emotions and your own you can have relationship with a wide variety of people , you don't judge people as much as before with emotions or thoughts. it's some form of Stoicism to a certain degree..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism

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lol, she just text me a couple of minutes ago. Wanted to know how I was doing and that she didn't hear from me a couple of days.

I got excited, but after reading your post;

she sees some value in you otherwise she wouldn't maintain contact. What she wants is unclear and it could be a unconcious act - maybe there is no ''real love '' involved. Maybe she is having regret or doubt but that is totally unimportant, she decided to end it so why should there be secondary motives to restart ?

It was kind of a downer, lol. I'm holding on too much. Wanting it to be more then it is. But dunno what to do next.

I could tell her that I want to end the friendship, because we can't invest enough to make it work and I don't want to put time in effort in nothing.

In a way I want to be romantic about it and saying stuff like;

I still have feelings for you, that's normal. I am proud of the things you do. Keep on going and don't hold back. Find your way. I don't think our friendship will last, because we can't invest the amount of time it needs to be a good friendship. You will understand. Take care.


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Been in a similar circumstance recently but with a girl of less time. She's best friends with a female cousin of mine that I'm close with, and when I speak to my cousin my cousin says" she misses you", but when my ex speaks to me she gets all funny, says we can't have a relationship or she don't want one etc. Brings back memories.

Came to the conclusion that ignorance is the way forward, ignore, forget.

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.. well that guy goes to the cinema with all his friends ( alone ) and he takes trips through forrests alone with all his friends.....
a friend of one of my ex-GF always invited her to go to a restaurant and pays her dinner.... sure.. he probably does it for all his friends .. yeah right...
they are just friends .... well.... you have a wide variety of friends .. you have friend which you love you have friends which you use for information and you have friends just to hang out with.
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he sends her kisses on the internet and stuff,they even like to talk through e-mail and not IM because it's more "old fashioned
" she's attracted to some degree and she acts in a certain way out of emotions thus taking actions which are later rationalized.
if people come up with rationalized ( backward ) excuses you can be damn sure there is something going on - it doesn't mean she's cheating. People who are making excuses are qualifying because they got something to hide.

look these orbiters-chodes orbit your girlfriend because they want to hook up with her, when you break up with her these guys are ready to put their tongue in her mouth. most of them are no competition and most of them suck at picking up girls because they do it in a needy frame.
you shouldn't worry about it, you should be emotionally unaffected and if she brings it up just say '' oh ... cool '' or '' .. yeah fuck it '' ... be unaffected. if she is attracted to some other dude she probably start fake fights so if you remain unaffected when she's trying to make you jealous you are a step ahead.

when should you worry ?
1. i dump girls who are investing more time in friends instead of me, she sees her friend 3 times a week but she only calls me one time every week ... DUMP - im not dumping her because im not getting attention im dumping her because she is investing more emotions towards other guys meaning im not in a healthy relationship.
2. if she's more affectionate and passionate towards and about this guy even when you remain unaffected
3. if she's hiding things and she qualifies alot ( defending mental stand points and making excuses for things she does )

when she wants to talk about this guy just cut off the thread with a legimate topic, hearing her stories about this guy probably makes you insecure and needy.

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I told her it's ok and its for the best and that I support her all the way. If I tell her that she gives up a great adventurous life with a lot of crazy stuff going on cus we form a great team; is this an insecurity/validation seeking way on my part? Or is it a secure way of telling her what she is going to miss in her life?
don't tell her anything , you cannot convice woman with logic because from a psychological perspective they are emotional creatures which backward rationalize alot. If you try to get a message across with pure logic she might rationalize it to anything just to justify her own actions.
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I also wonder how you cope with negative reactions, like;

you're an *ss
Sometimes I can't live with you
me: ''oh yeah well ... you know .. sometimes people are doing different things and sometimes you get a conflict.... everyone is human and nobody is perfect.''
her : '' you are not perfect at all ''
me:.... ''sometimes you feel perfect and sometimes not, in general i don't feel the need to talk about it.''...
her : '' you are weird ''
.... ''oh ok ... cool ..... im going to grab a drink''
cut off the topic even when she goes back to it

remain emotionally unaffected , ignoring is being reactive and defending a mental standpoint is reactive - don't qualify to her.
at picking up girls : if you ignore a girl most of the time they presumme you are intimidated by them and/or respectless , if you defend your point from a logical standpoint you are caring what others think of you or your ideas thus you are putting others way above yourself. If you don't care and when you know you're right you are active and remain emotionally unaffected - this is in my opinion self respect and value.
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Why won't you come sit next to me?
Why are you beeing a dick?
Why are you so quiet all the time?
Wow, what a loser ( I'd just laugh at these things)
laughing about it only rewards her because now you are giving her the unconcious/concious impression that she is funny.

how do i react?

well first of all i entertain myself second im piping it back to her....

why are you being a dick ?
'' well since when did you become lesbian'' or '' oh you don't like dick ''
Why are you so quiet all the time ?
'' because i don't have time for you''
Wow what a loser
''yeah and you got fucked by one''

or you can be unaffected .... just reply : oh .... cool ... anyway blablabla

you don't explain .. you don't have to explain to anyone and you don't have to be sorry , accept yourself for who you are and fuck other people who don't accept you. it's their problem and not yours
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I think people find me too relaxed. I never care, everything is ok, I don't worry, no need to be negative about anything. It's annoying to people. And I don't get this. It isn't a bad thing?
when someone is having a problem they want you to confirm their reality by telling them how bad it is and how much victim they are or they want you to tell ''it's ok'' so they can feed their own negative reality without taking action to change. if you are not eacting to their behavioural patterns or reality they tend to push you out of it , people want you to react negative so they can feel like a victim and do nothing - or they want you to react with '' it's ok '' so they get a feeling of acceptance and repeat their issue over and over because they identify with the problem - they want you to tell them it's ok to identify with it - they want you to tell them it's who they are.

When people see someone who is succesfull or rich they say '' he doesn't have the same problems that i deal with, he is lucky '' you hear that very often because people don't wnat to step outside their comfort zone and that is why they want other people to confirm their problems - people rather create artificial inner struggles instead of stepping outside their comfort zone and fear the death of ego. almost all people who are succesfull did put tremendous amounts of effort in their work and most people are not comfortable doing it so they make excuses not to do it. Instead of talking about the problem... please talk about solutions instead of asking other people to feed their ego. if you are relaxed about everything people assume you have succes to some degree because you are having something they have not : being relaxed.

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So, my girlfriend broke up with me.
she's not your girlfriend and she never been your girlfriend, i can fuck anyone and that does not make someone my grilfriend...... there is no such thing as ''MY''''girfriend'' because it's not my property. what makes a friend or girlfriend ? someone who does something for you without getting any profit out of it , they do it because it's who they are - high sense of values.

The one i call my girlfriend is the one im giving a ring or im having children with, since she isn't your girlfriend she never dumped you.

when a girl is really immature and seeking attention from me to feed their ego - often they do it by calling me a loser or something like it , i've said this a few times : you never dumped me because you never been my girlfriend ... leave and don't give the other side a chance to react.
the reason why ex-girlfriend wnat you to be a dick is so they can rationalize reasons to justify their actions for dumping you , don't give them a reason to rationalize.
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she '' your a dick sometimes''
me '' you are a fucknig bitch .. cocksucker etc''

what she now thinks is this : you are reacting and not of value , you are not boyfriend material because you are easily emotionally affected , she thinks you are acting like a dick throughtout the whole relationship since memory is subjective ( only by acting this once ) , she also compares you with her new date and now backward rationalize on how bad you were.

don't give her a reason to justify her actions

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says we can't have a relationship or she don't want one etc. Brings back memories.
yep it brings back memories which she now perceives as negative value thus she condition herself to feel bad about it. Since you don't have the same value she is focussing on other things and she tries to associate negative thoughts to her memories about you.

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ok iv been seeing this girl for about a month now she is great and i really like her,
but already it seems like its losing its flare and im thinking about other girls.. this always happens what are some ways to keep a relationship ah passionate?
if you think about other girls you probably don't like her enough..... take a break .. tell her you need one or maybe even 2 weeks of space. don't contact her for one week and see how you feel.
you are probably dissatisfied with most people , maybe you are searching for the perfect partner or you don't understand you emotions in a logical sense and you tend to experience new options of ''love'' when the original relationship runs out of it.

invest in it ... go on trips and so forth - if you are not investing you do it out of fear

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It was kind of a downer, lol. I'm holding on too much. Wanting it to be more then it is. But dunno what to do next.

I could tell her that I want to end the friendship, because we can't invest enough to make it work and I don't want to put time in effort in nothing.

In a way I want to be romantic about it and saying stuff like;

I still have feelings for you, that's normal. I am proud of the things you do. Keep on going and don't hold back. Find your way. I don't think our friendship will last, because we can't invest the amount of time it needs to be a good friendship. You will understand. Take care.
dude ...... like you are saying there is no need to invest in something which doesn't work anyway..... don't tell her anything.
don't waste time - if something doesn't not work but you are investing by giving explanations you are just rationalizing it by looking for her input. you want her to give you more reason to feel bad about so you can end it easily or you are maybe needy to a degree.

don't say anything and don't explain anything , don't be romantic because as long you are romantic you want her back .. probably. being romantic doesn't work and she probably share your message with a girlfriend and laugh about it , you are also giving her validation she's value. Being romantic over a long period of time is self hypnotizing - you hypnotize yourself in loving someone - it's like you want to seduce a girl in your class and you're in love with her ..... do you know how counterproductive it is .. it's fucking fool idea.. there is no reason to fall in love or be romantic with someone who doesn't care.

she's probably too immature as well.

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says we can't have a relationship or she don't want one etc. Brings back memories.
yep it brings back memories which she now perceives as negative value thus she condition herself to feel bad about it. Since you don't have the same value she is focussing on other things and she tries to associate negative thoughts to her memories about you.
Yep truth is she can't be negative with me, that's why she contacts me, and I've just started to ignore her.

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I am feeling a bit lost though. I shouldn't care and just enjoy everything in life. This is my life and my life to enjoy. But if I don't care I’ll just be the guy that always farked up in social occasions.

I am getting confused by what to do and not to do. I don't get it.
I'm reading tons of stuff from the guys out there like Neil Strauss, Mystery (enjoying the pick up artist on tv SPAM), David Deangelo, but there is so much information to handle that it works really confusing. And the last couple of days I am really ticking everyone off because I try to do all this stuff in field.

I CANT be a careless guy, because I need to step away from my comfort zone and learn. I can’t just enjoy myself and don't care what the others think, because if I do that, people will just treat me bad. It's just like picking up a guitar; If you don't care you will not learn anything. So in the beginning you will have to care. I need to pick up how it all works scientifically before I can enjoy a careless social life.

Blocking my ex on msn so she'll miss me is just an AFC move. Why not unblock her and don't give a damn? If she has something fun to say why not laugh about it? If she is going to treat me like shit then I won't take it. She's not in my reality. I only let het when I want her to.


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I am feeling a bit lost though. I shouldn't care and just enjoy everything in life. This is my life and my life to enjoy. But if I don't care I’ll just be the guy that always farked up in social occasions.

I am getting confused by what to do and not to do. I don't get it.
I'm reading tons of stuff from the guys out there like Neil Strauss, Mystery (enjoying the pick up artist on tv SPAM), David Deangelo, but there is so much information to handle that it works really confusing. And the last couple of days I am really ticking everyone off because I try to do all this stuff in field.

I CANT be a careless guy, because I need to step away from my comfort zone and learn. I can’t just enjoy myself and don't care what the others think, because if I do that, people will just treat me bad. It's just like picking up a guitar; If you don't care you will not learn anything. So in the beginning you will have to care. I need to pick up how it all works scientifically before I can enjoy a careless social life.

Blocking my ex on msn so she'll miss me is just an AFC move. Why not unblock her and don't give a damn? If she has something fun to say why not laugh about it? If she is going to treat me like shit then I won't take it. She's not in my reality. I only let het when I want her to.
Hmmm I don't see blocking someone on msn as AFC, especially an EX, just means you don't want contact.

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I am feeling a bit lost though. I shouldn't care and just enjoy everything in life. This is my life and my life to enjoy. But if I don't care I’ll just be the guy that always farked up in social occasions.

I am getting confused by what to do and not to do. I don't get it.
I'm reading tons of stuff from the guys out there like Neil Strauss, Mystery (enjoying the pick up artist on tv SPAM), David Deangelo, but there is so much information to handle that it works really confusing. And the last couple of days I am really ticking everyone off because I try to do all this stuff in field.

I CANT be a careless guy, because I need to step away from my comfort zone and learn. I can’t just enjoy myself and don't care what the others think, because if I do that, people will just treat me bad. It's just like picking up a guitar; If you don't care you will not learn anything. So in the beginning you will have to care. I need to pick up how it all works scientifically before I can enjoy a careless social life.

Blocking my ex on msn so she'll miss me is just an AFC move. Why not unblock her and don't give a damn? If she has something fun to say why not laugh about it? If she is going to treat me like shit then I won't take it. She's not in my reality. I only let het when I want her to.
Hmmm I don't see blocking someone on msn as AFC, especially an EX, just means you don't want contact.
You care to make the effort to block her. It's something you do as a reaction to what has happened. You react a certain way to it and it shows your are affected by it?


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