So the reason I'm writing this is because the last few weeks I've been trying to sort my own head out. This is partly what I've come up with. It's mainly common sense and a bit of a rant...but enjoy it! Might be the wrong forum, but I'm very pro natural game now.

Some of the best liars in the world use routines. They get a lot of pussy, for sure, but is it really worth it?

The very idea of going to a girl and using lines I've either had to think up or have simply plagiarised makes me unhappy. I just wouldn't feel like myself and this would show. I'd be so busy body rocking, thinking up negs, DHV stories and whatever that I'd have some mental meltdown, panic and lose out to the girl.

That's not a good fail!

Wouldn't it be better to lose out to a woman just by being yourself? If you consistently approach and fail or get massive AA attacks then it's not methods and routines you should learn - it's how to be more confident and genuinely high-value. You can't just fake these things!

So get a hobby, a better job, a better body - whatever it takes to make yourself happier and, by your standards, more interesting. Fuck what other people think. If you like stamp collecting then get passionate. Collect those mother fuckers!

Learn an instrument, a language, work out, make cocktails or write a book. Just do what you think will make you a better person! Don't be embarrassed when you tell people about what you enjoy or what you do for a living. Be passionate. If you convey that, they will appreciate it. Even if you're scrawny, pasty and small and you want to be a pro wrestler just tell people! Be enthusiastic, tell them how you plan to go from 'weed' to 'whoa'! Make people passionate about the things that they love and have a genuine interest in their lives. Every single person is interesting once you find the things they love!

The Game shouldn't be picking up women. It should be about making you a better person. You won't be able to just talk to women, you'll be able to talk to everyone! You will be atop the social spectrum. People will want to talk to you.

You will have genuine friends, hobbies, good fun and a fantastic outlook on life! That's better than any routine anyone has ever come up with.

Here is the thing.

Routines are great, if you are a natural first. I don't think this battle between natural game and canned material is as two sided as it seems on the surface. We should use BOTH natural game and routines/lines. We should have natural inner game FIRST and then use routines to spice up our responses and reactions.

I like how you suggest getting a hobby, job etc. although I have to suggest a different approach.

Take time now and DEFINE your identity to the fullest extent. Define your identity without ANY OTHER external aspects. You are valuable just because of your very essence.

Not your job, not your hobbies, not your passions, not anything. Just YOUR MIND, BODY and SELF.

Then the rest of the stuff will come to you, but if you solidify a foundational belief system about your true value, not riding on anything external in the world, I believe you will have IMMENSE confidence and value.

Just your very essence as a man is what gives you value, not your external social accomplishments. Those are secondary and it is better to define your identity and value by your true core than to define yourself by your job, hobbies, passions, quirks, or anything else.

An area I agree with you with is conveying your real personality to ever girl you are interested in. This way you can KNOW for sure that if she is attracted, it is to the real you. That way you don't have to keep up some PUA facade. Those guys can't be happy. Maybe they get laid every night but at the end of the day, they just have strayed from the truth about this world. It isn't about some line or some cocky comment/neg. It's about your deepest belief about the world and your deepest perception of yourself. That is what women want.

You have to SCREEN them and find the ones that reciprocate interest right away. Then you have frame a girl who isn't interested as having horrible taste in men or just not connected on the same level you want.

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Ahead of my time, like I live my whole life backwards.

Write now I'm writing this with my french girlfriend reading what I'm writing over my shoulder.. STOP READING THIS LOOOSSEERR!!

Ok, now that shes left the room.. I'll just quote you a bit and then ramble a bit.

"The very idea of going to a girl and using lines I've either had to think up or have simply plagiarised makes me unhappy. I just wouldn't feel like myself and this would show. I'd be so busy body rocking, thinking up negs, DHV stories and whatever that I'd have some mental meltdown, panic and lose out to the girl. "

Ok, so, my opinion on this is.. yes its stupid to have every single thing you say be a repetition of something that you say before. It still happens though, there are things, stories, ideas, whatever that I've said to maybe 20 different girls (usually making it seem like I either just thought it up, or that I've been "thinking about it a lot lately") but I feel phony and lame, but they don't really catch on (or maybe they do...)

as for negs and dhv and whatever the fuck body rocking is (body language.. please explain) I think part of being a natural is doing that naturally, knowing that you're doing it, but not consciously doing it.. if that makes sense. You're not thinking in your head "Ok, I'm gonna neg her twice, and then DHV and then.." No, you just tell an interesting story and when she responds with "ya, I had a friend one time that.." you say "omg really?! you had a friend? thats a surprise." But you still know what you're doing. You know that was a neg, but you didn't plan it or think of it.

I think passion is a good word to some up a lot of what you mean. Have passion, but.. I mean, for me my passion is music. My parents are both musicians, my dad is actually quite well known and acknowledged, I can convey emotions very well by playing music (this sounds arrogant, and it's actually kinda proving my point) and I hardly ever mention it until I've been there quite some time, unless I'm asked. When I'm asked I kinda shrug it off.. "Yea, I play music." "Oh really, what do you play' "Ohh, piano guitar, trumpet, a bunch of other stuff.. and I sing a bit but.. ya"



I don't know, maybe lame examples. Passions should be hidden jewels that they have to discover (or you make it seem like they're discovering, when you actually planned to reveal it all along) and ya. Pick up is about making yourself a better person. Thats how I explained it to my french girlfriend so she wouldn't get mad at me when she first found out. Ohh mann, word from the wise.. NEVER TELL ANYONE WHAT YOU'RE DOING!! Whole lotta bullshit comes.. But I think it might be alright.. maybe not, but whatever.

Ok, hope this kinda makes sense and helps. ya. Cool.

french girls buying me mcdonalds.. gotta go! Yahooooooo!!!

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it HAS to look and sound real.

I think the idea is you've got to start somewhere. If you use the canned material you start developing patterns in your interactions with people (women and men). As you do it more and more the routines morph and you start using your own personal experiences but still follow the same architecture of the PU. This should be the natural progression, and it should in a way drive you to do more interesting things. As you start gaming you may realize - wow, I really don't have many interesting things to talk about. This realization can drive you to become involved in new and interesting experiences. Also, as you meet more people you will open yourself to new experinces and increase your social circle - giving you more "real" material to use in sets.

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The quality of a man's life is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence, regardless of his chosen field of endeavor - V. Lombardi

I hope that means "Admit you know nothing, except what is this very moment"

If not, then you're merely recycling your own mental illusions.

Don't think; do.
Don't recycle excuses; incinerate them.

Live NOW.
Phew. You're set then.

You're good NOW. As of NOW, you're a very pro natural game.

That's all that matters. NOW, we're on the level.
If it works, yeah.
If it doesn't, nah.

"Liars" are merely people who utilize something they resonate with to achieve a desired result in that particular moment.

If you have to lie to capitalize and maximize your moment AT THAT TIME, is it THAT wrong, especially if you NEVER SEE HER AGAIN?
Same here. Some guys like using routines; I despise them.

As of now, I do not identify as a PUA, but who the fuck cares about me.

As for YOU, you and me are on the level. Not bad.
You'd just rather be you.
Same here.
Not necessarily better, but you'll have less to dwell on, IF your foolish enough to even consider the action of DWELLING on thoughts.

Oftentimes, being yourself is merely a gauge of TRUE success. If you're not you, and you fuck up, you automatically think "Aw man, if only I was myself...", and your ball of "momentum" turns into a pile of dogshit.

Be you, right NOW.
Absolutely. High value is earned; confidence is earned; pussy is earned. It's easy, DEAD easy.

There are just some tricks and barriers to break.
I like you, no homo.
I am smiling reading this.
Believe in yourself, others will believe you. Be CONGRUENT, NOW!
I'm currently aiming to become a salesman at Saks Fifth Avenue, and eventually a Series 7 certified Stockbroker. I like techno music, and I fart a lot.

Say what you want; right now, I don't care.
So true.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO STATE SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT WAS JUST TYPED

"The Game shouldn't be picking up women".

Absofuckinglutely right.

The game is the game. It is a GAME! It's fun and enjoyable. There are RULES to follow, and NOW is the time of play. If you're not here NOW, it's game over. If you're BACK THERE, or ALL THE WAY OVER THERE, you lost. You must be HERE, NOW, READY.

...to play the game.

It's not about picking up the girl; it's about winning the game, NOW!

The game is the game.

That is the purpose.
EXACTLY! This is the game; SOCIALIZATION.

I fucking love you kiddo. ALL HOMO!!! xoxoxoxoxo.l

Master post. A+. STICKY THIS IMMEDIATELY!

hehehe

Never was a big fan of Nietzsche.

And, it's not that I preach the holy power of "NOW"; when it all comes down to it, everything centers around the moment, and choosing to do, or not do.

To elaborate above the point in question complicates matters. I merely wish to provide a frame that works.

...brb. Gotta go to work.

Routines are basically stuff that naturals have done enough times to share with rookies who tries to copy it.

Even though you dont feel like a natural, when your pickup skills increase you are gonna go closer and closer... Whether you like it or not...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I think this gets back to the whole "be yourself" trap.

Social conditioning is so pervasive that we don't even know what is actually "us" and what is just how we are "supposed" to be.

there are some pretty fake people who will tell you to "be yourself". There are some heavily conditioned nerds who are saying "why can't I be myself". The answer is because your programming is bad. There is programming that works, and programming that doesn't work. If you are a nerd, you got some bad programming somewhere. If you want to get women, you must adjust. You must act in a way that doesn't feel comfortable at first, its the only way. I don't think most people really understand this, or else they just don't want to do it once they figure it out.

It is not a trap. We mean it when we say it. It is just that some of us have forgotten what it was like when we were newbies.

Experienced people can be themselves because they have turned into an attractive person.

The old Mystery saying comes to mind: Fake it until you make it.

This indicates that you are supposed to make it.

After you have made it (became a person you like) you can be yourself.

Before that you need to work on who and what you are until you are someone you can be proud of.

Ezo

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I couldnt agree more, the first month of trying all these rules and steps where rathe unproductive for me personaly...
I then read up about personal meditation and centering yourself to be the best and happiest person you can be!!!!!
This is the best thing iv done in ever, im even helping my friends discover who they are and what they want out of life, while meditating. (Just breathing excercises and calming down and deep thought)

I know many people think of medidation as hippie stuff, but trust me this really works.
See what i realized is the whole thing about inner game is actualy the most important thing you can master. Coz when you are unhapy in life people see that and you give of negative energy. By looking into yourself and thinking about where you want to be and what you want to do this motivates you and gives you aspirations. And aspirations are what connects people and makes them feel comfortable with you... showing that you are also just human.

Plus when you are centerd happy and goal orientated you have confidence in yourself, and makes talking to people a whole lot easier. watch some videos on youtube and try it for yourself.
START with your inner game, who you are, be honest and discover a new you. then try all the methods your heart desires and youll see how easy it is just to have fun let go and how many people will want to join you in having fun.
Peace out V

pretty much you incorporate routines into your personality. Why do you think most girls are push pull artists? cuz its girl logic on how to test guys and they incorporated it into their personality cuz they always get hit on.

You become a PUA when your shit gets natural.

agreed, im new to this form of pickup, always thought i was a "natural" as i hav no problem talking to women, have a big social group and i hav a couple of friends as moddels HB9 & 10's. But there was always something off about my game, see the way i see it now is that some of the realy hot woman i met before acquiring this new skill set (props to all the big names of the PUA world) is kinda by luck and not knowingly DHV and doing the right things at the right time.

I now know about things like DHV and negs, and when the right time to use them is. This is what helped me move away from my AFC tendancies.

My new life moto: To become a master you must remain a apprentace.

Peace out...V

I've never been big on routines. I have canned negs, compliments, cocky funny lines and ocasionally an opener or a little bit of NLP off the top off my head but thats it. The rest is natural. But thats me.

If you use full routines or NLP patterns that you wrote or you found that work for you, then thats you. I dont see the difference.

Have fun with it.

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That sounds like the very definition of canned game... The only thing you arent including is DHV stories...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn