Hey guy. I need some help with kino escalation. I know it's important but by nature I'm not a touchy feely guy. I'm wondering if you guys know any more subtle techniques as oppose to the more elaborate ones described in the books?

Kino is THE most important thing. The pickup does not happen without kino. Kino practically IS the pickup.

To get used to doing kino, start doing the arm ping more often with your friends. Eventually turn some of those arm pings into firm arm touches. Don't do the weak-man touch. Get used to touching people. When you go to a crowded venue and you have to make your way through the crowd, you need to touch people on the shoulders and talk to them like they are your friends. If you do that, people will move for you.

Cheers. Sorry what's an arm ping?

Totally agree, take a notch further with your friends, more touchy feely with them, even if they are guys, don't matter, do the hand shake with the shoulder bump etc, be creative

And btw what you have is Sexual Anxiety (and yes that includes touching), check out Sinn for further material he has some good techniques on overcoming it, especially in his new "Seduction Roadmap".

Cheers

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Have you tried.... The Claw?
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You're welcome.

hi,

You can also read the vin dicarlo escalation ladder
(its free, look for it @ google)
I think its quite handy

greets Seb

Thanks for the help guys and excellent thread Minsok. I'll definitely try it out.

btw I've had success with what I guess could call wrestling were your holding the girl's hands and she tries to use her strength to gain control of you (which you let her and then take it away). I'm not sure if I explained it well but it's resulted in several home run closes from girls I met just a couple of hours prior.

Keep the advise coming

Dude, if you can get a girl to wrestle with you, it's already in the bag. That's such a turn on. But yeah, I blow at kino, but the claw is simple and effective and doesn't require some BS routine, which I hate. Those make me feel totally fake.

minsok you seem to know alot about the claw. how long should it be engaged for? ie couple of seconds or longer and when is a good situation to employ it?

The claw is good for every situation. You guys have to kind of be facing the same direction. Like, buying tickets at a movie, ordering something at a counter, waiting in line, leading her somewhere, sitting next to her on a couch or bench. If you're at a bar, you can suggest an impromptu picture. Sneak it in there when you both pose. You can also suggest a little walk to another (more isolated) part of the bar and do it on the way. It seems like the sooner you use the claw and the more people see you linked up, the more effective it is. It will help build a romantic vibe. It makes a good IOI test if you lift your arm like you're going to do it and she just hurls herself in there, which seems to happen a lot.

You do it as long as she leans into you, puts her arm around your waist, or does something else to indicate she likes it. If she stays totally upright and rigid and doesn't move into you, then you know she's not interested and you disengage after like 15 seconds. It makes a good transition to a kiss, too. Man, there is nothing the claw can't do; I should market it after the Sham-wow guy.