I was checking on the internet the other day, for new game material. and as i was doing this i came up to www.forbiddenpatterns.com . As i looked on the site, it was like all the others, just an ad, and without a credit card it is pointless. but anyways i read on to view some of the websites "offers," and here they are.

October Man:How would you like to give ANY woman you are talking to a completely new identity - and make yourself the focal point of that new identity?

Install Sickness: We've all been sick. Remember the last time you were sick, and how awful you felt? This is a pattern to install those feelings in your target!

'The Door': A never-before-released explanation of 'The Door' pattern. This will make a person feel fear and panic if they are without you. If I told you who taught me this one, you'd be shocked... but I am not allowed to reveal his name! People have actually been SUED for using this so please use with caution.

Death Pattern: This one is included in order to defend yourself from it. Some sickos who happen to be skilled in NLP and hypnosis are running around using this - and it's intended to do exactly what it says - get someone to think about death constantly.

What Was Once True: An extremely powerful method for eliciting a person's values - and then annihilating them. This technique has been used for decades by cult gurus and others to obtain complete control over the mind of another person. Now it's yours.

I have never been into this stuff, and never will be. I think the main point of Pickup is to attract the girl, THE WAY SHE IS. And personally for me, i think this stuff is kind of wrong. it's not pickup, it's taking advantage and hypnosis. and the DEATH PATTERN?!?!?!?!??!?!
I know the guy says sicko's go around using this stuff, but isn't he kind of teaching it to you? sicko's would be the people intrested in buying this stuff.

I don't believe NLP is bad, most of the time. and as he says, you can use the october man sequence for good, to make the person have an identity is bad. I guess it just depends who's buying.

what do you guys think?

Hypnosis seduction is sick and if I witnessed someone doing it I would probably beat them senseless. Its as bad or worse than rape.

amen to that

ehh... I don't know guys. I mean every interaction you have with someone changes them, to a greater or less degree, no matter what. Sometimes it will change them very little, and they will forget your name before the end of the night. And sometimes it changes them a great deal, and it's your future wife.

I think hypnosis is really a misnomer, and the reason it is given that title is because of how effective it is. It is basically learning how to increase the inevitable effect you will undoubtedly have on someome. And that's all the game is about anyway. We will either attract someone or repel someone no matter what. The game merely studies exactly what traits and interactions universally attract, and isolate them while removing those traits and interactions that repel.... end result, the PUA. If a PUA has mastered the art, he can walk into any room with the total assurance that he can walk out with anyone he likes. Because he knows this, is it dishonest, or even akin to rape? Of course not. He's simply using the natural laws that govern us. We all know these laws implicitly. The PUA simply understands them, and obeys them.

This is essentially what NLP does. It plays on the natural hardwiring each of us have. When you are attracted to someone, you don't question whether or not they've done something sneaky or deceitful in order to acheive this..... because it doesn't matter. Nothing will change the fact that you are, and it is entirely willful. So basically, when dealing with attraction, the end result is totally voluntary.

Now... I would hesitate to use NLP not because you're harming that person, but because it could come back to bite you in the ass. And I think this is why these things are so heavily guarded. For instance, yes... October Man works. But are you willing to accept the very real possibility that you'll end up with a stalker on your hands? Most guys would say yes just to get the target and an otherwise unforgettable fukc. But those very real consequences don't seem to present themselves until you're having to deal with them. And this is why NLP needs to be guarded, far more so than the art of pick-up.

Being a good PUA you may know the things to say and how to say it, but you don't put a person under and mess with their personality. You work with their existing personality and make them attracted to you by showing them how amazing you are basically. You DHV to impress them and you treat them in ways that they want to be treated, but you don't alter their personality any more than any other daily human interaction. Hypnosis changes the fundamental basis of who that person is.

I don't know man, I guess it's just a difference of opinion. I haven't used NLP because I haven't really studied enough to know how. But I think calling it rape is a long-shot. And I kinda doubt that you would be trully changing their hardwiring with it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see it.

Then you obviously don't know what the point of routines like The October Man Sequence are. Or how about the one where you make the person unbearably afraid when you aren't near them. Or making them think of nothing but death. I just casually looked into it so I knew what it was and I found sites offering to teach people these things.

not to be too obvious or anything, but why don't you look UP? I mean look all the way up on this window right under where it says "Where do I start" is a list of sponsored sites second down in the "Confidence building" category is, low and behold, "Forbidden Patterns". Just something interesting I wanted to point out.

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Anyone can walk into a bar and pick up a random girl.
The trick is to make the experience unforgettable to her.
A real PUA will make every women he encounters feel like she experience something once in a lifetime.

i don't remember how i got the website. but now that you mention it, that is 89% chance of what happened. Of course that is a little bit irrelivant.

Hypnosis can not be used to harm anyone.

I've been studying/practicing hypnosis and self-hypnosis for a few years now. Your subconscious mind is a safety net that will ALWAYS look out for your most basic best interests.

You can reverse negative subconscious habits, and persuade the subconscious mind to certain ways. However, it is 100 percent impossible to use hypnosis to harm someone.

Their subconscious mind will always protect them from whatever you are trying to do.

Ask any reputable hypnotist.

Yeah, I'm sure that's why there are things called "forbidden patterns". If you get someone deeply hypnotized enough you can mess them up pretty badly if you know what you're doing. Also, a piece of advice: stay away from declaring absolutes, because it makes you look like a close minded idiot that thinks they know everything. The most certain you should ever be is 99% sure, even if the question is "what is 1+1?" because I know some people out there that have used some ridiculous math and imaginary numbers and stuff to invalidate the fact that you can be sure that it will always be 2.

i think you guys are taking hypnosis too seriously. The person is still consious of their actions, and it's not like clicking your finger and they suck your cock.

It involves stimulating emotions (this is where the seduction part comes in - you have to attract and build comfort first) then you anchor these feelings into an action e.g. squeezing their wrist.

Now everytime (in the short term) you squeeze their wrist, they feel these feelings - happyness, excitement, adrenaline....it doesn't make them fall for you, whilst doing it, you have to attract them. They think that your making them feel happy...and they want more, like a drug.

It's the same as DHV'ing in principle. your funny, they laugh, they become happy, they want more. i.e. you.

Now i've only read one NLP book, so i don't know much about it, but if someone could make me feel happy that easily i'd let them.

Well, I think people are thinking of NLP and hypnosis as the same entities. With NLP, it is absolutely impossible to harm someone. However, full fledged hypnosis can have some negative side effects. For instance, a newly certified hypnotist helped this woman overcome her fear of traffic. It didn't matter how clear the road was, or whether or not she had the right of way...... her fear of traffic made her unable to cross the road. However, this guy was new and he messed up because with hypnosis, it is hard for the subconcious psyche to interpret messages that the concious psyche has no problem deciphering. Long story short..... she walked out into the road a short time later in front of moving traffic and got hit by a car. She sued his ass big time.

Now.... My point is that hypnosis is very powerful. But the pickup community deals primarily with NLP, not clinical hypnosis. NLP is something that can be done within the context of a typical conversation. Hypnosis can only be achieved by a extremely relaxed voluntary state. Basically.... you can't hypnotize someone without them knowing it. You can, however, use NLP without them ever being aware of it. The two are related, but NLP is not anywhere near strong enough to, for instance, make someone walk out into traffic. And even for the purposes of the PUA community, where hypnotic techniques may be used, they are nowhere near as strong as the case I've just mentioned.

Now, I don't want to understate the powers of NLP.... it can make someone greatly attracted to you (though this will vary from subject to subject). However, anyone that is worried about potential harm is overestimating its ability. Any perceived harm has nothing to do with the NLP/hypnosis itself, but rather the prior instability of the subject. My point = if she seems to get fucked up by it, she was already fucked up... don't pride yourself into thinking you did it.

can someone tell how to do the octoberman sequence?

Haha.... it takes more than just a script man. Have you ever studied NLP in depth? If not then you'd be wasting your time with Octoberman. Besides, there are so many fake versions of OMS out there that if anyone of us gave it to you, there's a small chance you'd be getting the real one.

And there's a reason why the great PUAs don't use this. First of all, they don't need it. There's no woman you can't get by simply using techniques from Mystery, Style, DD, Juggler, etc... And if you use Octoberman, you're going to find yourself with a stalker, and depending on the girl, you might even have to get the police involved.... it's happened before. I have no problem with NLP, but forget about Octoberman Sequence.