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A Sticking Point or SP is an issue you CONSISTENTLY run into.

It is NOT a point where you get stuck with ONE SPECIFIC GIRL.

A Sticking Point is:
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I keep getting LMR whenever I bring girls back to my place. This has happened at least 10 times already! What am I doing wrong?
A Sticking Point is NOT:
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I got LMR with this one girl! What do I do?
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If you have not already gone out and practiced enough to have a real Sticking Point from meeting an ABUNDANCE of women, YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO POST HERE.



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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 2:54 pm 
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I have made this post so you can see some mistakes I have made in the past that has wasted alot of my time or have noticed friends making, I stick by these religiously now, you don't have to but be aware of these.

No. 1

I only go for my exact type

Reason - This might sound strange to you maybe but I have wasted alot of time with girls I was kinda attracted to but had no spark with just because I wanted to get an easy lay or I had nothing better going on at the time. You have to be careful because these types of girls could end up causing baggage you never thought you'd have hanging on your shoulders, Thou in certain situations such as holidays when you'll never see her again, go for it but play safe.

No.2

If she is my exact type only move forward with her if I can see her easily

Reason - In my case if I can't easily hang out with her things have always faded out no matter how much the girl liked me. Her objections can set in, she meets other people and attraction fades. So unless you can see her easily don't bother cause you'll be saving your self alot of heartache and frustration.

Note: The phone should be to arrange a meet up first and foremost.

No.3

Dont put new girls on hold for a chick you've just met and not had sex with yet.

Reason - I've made this mistake alot in the past, were I threw away an opportunity over girls I've just met a week or two prior and hadn't had sex with because I felt attached or I was cheating on her or something, in reality this is not true it hurts your skillset and the other girl may have other people she is seeing and only sees you as the guy she kisses at the club. So don't throw opportunities away because a relationship (of any kind IMO) doesn't start until you've had sex with that person at least twice (and I mean sex on different occasions after the night you've met her) If you haven't had sex with her by the second meeting then chances are it's not going to happen at all.

No.4

If you are in a relationship don't start not going out and becoming comfortable.

Reason - Things can change quickly and if you are out of practice you will end up feeling like the one who lost even if you ended things with her because she can get another guy as fast as you can say "who the fucks she with", women don't have to go looking we do! If your out of practice it may be sometime till you end up with someone so socialise as normal but don't physicly escalate or isolate girls this is just stupid, it can get you dumped and labelled a cheater, your not tryig to play games you're just keeping your social and natural attraction skills very sharp.

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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:46 pm 
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lol I like lists.
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I have made this post so you can see some mistakes I have made in the past that has wasted alot of my time or have noticed friends making, I stick by these religiously now, you don't have to but be aware of these.
Let's see if your mistakes have merit
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No. 1

I only go for my exact type

Reason - This might sound strange to you maybe but I have wasted alot of time with girls I was kinda attracted to but had no spark with just because I wanted to get an easy lay or I had nothing better going on at the time. You have to be careful because these types of girls could end up causing baggage you never thought you'd have hanging on your shoulders, Thou in certain situations such as holidays when you'll never see her again, go for it but play safe.
Any girl can have any amount of baggage. The world is not fixed, neither is the moment guaranteed to have a 100% success ratio.

This "mistake" is a mindtrick, you're thinking too much into it.
Every girl has her roses and thorns; the key is killing the thorns while growing the roses. That is all dependent on the gardener (You)...
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No.2

If she is my exact type only move forward with her if I can see her easily

Reason - In my case if I can't easily hang out with her things have always faded out no matter how much the girl liked me. Her objections can set in, she meets other people and attraction fades. So unless you can see her easily don't bother cause you'll be saving your self alot of heartache and frustration.
But again, you're thinking too much.

Her objections, 99.9% of the time, have nothing to do with YOU. It's all HER problem. Unfortunately, she may happen to act like that with you more than often, and act differently with others. That, again, is dependent on YOU. HER moods aren't PERSONAL, but YOU probably were the cause of them, and YOU can fix them.

1)Stop thinking
2)Maximize the moment.

That's 2 mistakes caused by the same toxic flaw: THINKING.
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Note: The phone should be to arrange a meet up first and foremost.
This, however, is 100% correct!
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No.3

Dont put new girls on hold for a chick you've just met and not had sex with yet.

Reason - I've made this mistake alot in the past, were I threw away an opportunity over girls I've just met a week or two prior and hadn't had sex with because I felt attached or I was cheating on her or something, in reality this is not true it hurts your skillset and the other girl may have other people she is seeing and only sees you as the guy she kisses at the club. So don't throw opportunities away because a relationship (of any kind IMO) doesn't start until you've had sex with that person at least twice (and I mean sex on different occasions after the night you've met her) If you haven't had sex with her by the second meeting then chances are it's not going to happen at all.
Ok, this is valid mistake 1.

Sex determines BF/GF relationship. Period.

Correct.
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No.4

If you are in a relationship don't start not going out and becoming comfortable.

Reason - Things can change quickly and if you are out of practice you will end up feeling like the one who lost even if you ended things with her because she can get another guy as fast as you can say "who the fucks she with", women don't have to go looking we do! If your out of practice it may be sometime till you end up with someone so socialise as normal but don't physicly escalate or isolate girls this is just stupid, it can get you dumped and labelled a cheater, your not tryig to play games you're just keeping your social and natural attraction skills very sharp.
2nd valid mistake. The comfort zone is where momentum dies. In comfort, you slow down and settle. The ideal man NEVER SETTLES. The direction is ALWAYS FORWARD, NEVER SLOW.

So:

*The first 2 "mistakes" were not mistakes, but products of thinking. Thinking is EVIL. Don't think.

*The last two are legitimate mistakes. These are mistakes you learn through trial and error, despite thought and moment. ACCEPT THE LAST TWO AS LAW, and don't question them.

1)Sex determines the relationship
2)Don't slow down and get comfy. Always push the envelope

Good post Vault.


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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:14 pm 
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I like to add emphasis on a couple points with an example where I fucked up big time.

Ok, got into the game last year over summer, and was fucking bored, no job(I'm a student and couldn't get part time work) relatively low cash reserve, so I was reading a lot and learning pick up.

I remember in the 4 weeks before University re started I went on like 5 dates with different girls, there was 1 I really liked, we went out and hit it off, we had known each other for a couple years but more friends or friends...she had a busy weekend so I ended up going out with another girl from my University who lived relatively close by...big mistake, she was hot, but a bit of a drama queen, well that was my impression, we ended up going out for like a month at the start of Uni so I blew off the girl I really liked...I broke it off with the drama queen pretty quickly, realised she was fucking crazy. By this point the girl I really liked had a BF so i missed out :/

I don't get aggressive when Im drunk or anything and I don't really have drunken arguements with my ex's I'm a nice guy and always respectful....however this drama queen ended up becoming fucking mental, she bottled me in a nightclub...un provoked, hit me several times with her handbag and slaps/kicks me all the time...

Shes only little and granted she was like a pornstar in bed, but she is the biggest regret of my life so far....we broke up like 7 months ago now, and only went out for like a month total...she still goes ape shit when she see's me talking to other girls on nights out and threatens them or bad mouths me when I go get drinks or whatever....I fucking hate this bitch now!

Anyways point is, try to go for your type, and if you are bored and just want to get layed, do not go for drama queens, it is plan flat out not worth it!!!


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Rune don't be offened because thats not my intention but please read my posts correctly before you comment, I have clearly stated that they are "past mistakes" as in things I have experienced over the years. This post is here so if someone reads it now and is in the same situation as I was (and never have been since or will be again) will know what the posible outcome of where a certain senario could lead.

E.g.

I wrote

"You have to be careful because these types of girls (as in ones you only want for a night but don't really give a shit about) could end up causing baggage you never thought you'd have hanging on your shoulders"

Sort of like what Phates wrote

(which is exactly the type of reply I wanted to hear, thank you)

So what I mean is be prepared for possible shit after, so look at her and actually think first, if she turns out to be mental was it really worth an easy lay, as far as I'm concerned no, and you've also got the aspect of the girl you don't really give a shit about, apart from a few rides becoming attached to you and ending up being hurt.

Personally I'd rather it be me being rejected by someone I actually liked with no repercussions than to have to reject a possible threat to a future lay with someone I have chemistry with just because I wanted a quick bit of dirt.

No.2 was about a recuring problem I noticed alot, If you haven't banged her by at the most the 3rd meeting its less and less likely to happen so be careful you're not wasting your time. The objections are her saying to her self things like "I know I liked him but I never get to see him and I've met another fun guy that lives close so do I really want the hastle?" so if you barely get to see her in my experience you're better off not bothering, you'll save yourself a whole lot of bother.

I don't understand what you mean by valid mistake, a mistake is a mistake no matter how you look at it, my post does not need to be analyzed like it is some sort of PU technique, they are simply recuring senarios I and some of my friends had noticed over and over. So no I wasn't thinking too much, what I was doing was identifying my sticking points and busting them one by one for constant improvement.

An example using Captain jacks sticking point analysis with one of my "mistakes" I kept making about a year and a half ago

What to change

I waste alot of time when out with girls that live too far for me to see and have sex with easy, this means lays rarely happen

To What to Change To...

To only hook up with girls that are close enough to see easy with no hastle so a relationship or sex will be easy

How to Cause the Change...

Better logistical mindset, find out where they are from early and base my time on that, if they live close/easy to see go for SNL or timebridge if not either try for an out of venue lay that goes no further than that night which is low percentage compared to moving on to a better candidate


Instead of analysing my post as you would a technique, share any past mess ups you feel would be interesting please add them I'd be more than happy to read them as I'm sure others would aswell.

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