Haha I know that's a great attention getter, anyways guys I had a question for a mid game advice.

I was with out with three friends at this country bar. We approached a group of girls about 5 and started to joke around with them.

They all seemed friendly except for one. I was chatting it up with one of them and the bitchy chick was sitting next to her. I made a comment "if I wasn't gay I would be so into you" pointing in their general direction, the bitchy one had a text book reaction saying something like, oh please blah blah blah. I then said, I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to your friend. She had a fit and left. I used this time to chat with her friend some more.

After a few minutes of talking and joking that conversation fizzled but another friend of hers came by and I went into the whole "I am gay routine" she then started to get very flirty and repeatedly said "no you are not, blah blah blah"

I would put my cock on her hip dry humping her and would say thing like, this is doing nothing for me, since I am gay. Either way she was digging the attention and I wanted to do a little push, pull and decided to excuse myself from the group. I made a mistake and left a friend of mine with virtually zero game to take over until I took a piss. I came back and they were all gone.

What would you guys do differently, and yes I know not to leave the action to my buddy who did not step in to provide good wingmen ship. Let me know.

I don't have experience playing up the "gay" thing that hard. I was always under the impression that the opener was simply a false disqualifier, something to lower her defenses but also something she's forgotten about five minutes later. It seemed like it was working alright for you, would've been curious to know if it would have helped or hurt you in closing. I could see it going both ways. Might have to try that just for kicks sometime.

As far as mistakes, yeah I'd say just leaving them in the hands of your buddy. I wouldn't go calling him a bad wing for losing the set though. If you're the more confident/capable one then leaving him alone in a situation he can't handle is more bad winging on your part than his.

well i think u took the gay thing too far..
i thought the gay routine was ment to break the bitch shield at the approach
but u gotta build somed attraction for a girl to keep her interested..

Charlatan,

Yeah he is a good dude, and I shouldn't be labeling him like that but I guess I should have coordinated with him better before leaving him. I am just not there yet. I feel like a lot of my initial game is awesome but then fizzles either by me not taking the conversation anywhere or just hanging on the opener with a dumb look on my face.

I am a funny dude and I think of myself as interesting but at the same time I am very factual and tend to be serious so when I start conversation with a girl, I find or at least feel that I am boring them. Again, it's probably some underlying nervousness that I don't quite recognize and I go back to what I know. Anyways I really need to work my mid game.

Handbreaker,

Agreed I think you are right I just need a good transition. That's why I really need to shadow someone that has mastered this whole PU game. I can read 1000s books but to see the transition and see how it's properly done would be priceless.

A little tip for your middle game:

I remember Mystery talking about attire (and yeah, it was on VH1 too, quit hatin' guys. ;p) and saying that you should emphasize your good traits. Basically, if your skinny, don't wear baggy clothes, wear tight stuff to emphasize you thinness. If you're a bigger guy, maybe wear a nice broad shouldered jacket to emphasize the "power" vibe etc.

Anyway, I think that applies to conversation at least as much as fashion. Play off your strengths, don't ignore them. I'm not positive exactly what you mean by saying you're a "factual guy." But I know, for example, that I'm into stories. Always have been. When I like a band, for example, I'm always looking up where they came from, how they got their start, etc. Their story. I do that with almost anything I'm interested just because I enjoy it. So when I'm in a set, I can use this. Usually something will come up (or I'll steer the convo to make it come up) that I can say "oh hey, did you know..." about. It's a great value builder, and since I really am excited about it, they pick up on the interest (which helps label me as "interesting.")

If you have trouble with middle game, I'd spend less time trying to learn routines and look at what you actually really enjoy talking about and figure out how you can use that to your advantage. : )


On a side note, may not be totally applicable, but mentioning you tend to be "serious" instantly made me think of this clip of Tim (from RSD I think?) talking about Voice Tonality:

Charlatan,

Dude that video was great, Thanks brother. I meant factual, as in "matter of fact" lol at least that's what my X wife used to say a few years ago about me. She said I had a tendency to take myself too seriously. I guess I do, but I think a good combination of joking with a serious conversation is probably the best mix out there. Solid advice though.

The tone of voice is definitely something I have to work on. I guess our society has slowly taken the masculinity from guys and we have been reprogrammed to act more like chicks. Having that normal tone as the guy describes gives us a more masculine image, alpha male, so that video was dead on. Again thanks for good words
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