The main two negative theories I see are one.

"She's just a play thing for me. What's the point with women outside of sex? I'm in control she is nothing!" - This comes from someone who has been scarred, and is as a result, terrified of women.

When we are intimidated by something, our fear usually comes out in aggression as we try to dehumanise the person who scares us. It's like when the school bully beat you up in grade school and you spent the whole walk home trying to convince yourself that "Jimmy is just a big fat loser".

Killers often do the same with their victims. to make the whole process of war and killing less intimidating, they dehumanise their victims.

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How do you fix someone like this? Well, first of all they are going to need to get over their emotional baggage (note- notice how it's always the bitter and hurt who hate women and demean them) so they can analyse the whole scenario objectively.

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The second group are the people who believe attrative women (or maybe women in general) have an immidiate disrespect for men and are all by nature cruel, selfish and egotistical.

In two years of PU, and through that meeting some really gorgeous girls and great guys; I've also met some really nasty women and some despicable men. I've met only one girl who fits the description of your RAFC's stereotype of an HB10.

This belief of (women will crush you when they get the chance) comes from someones history and back catelogue of constant rejection and fear of hostility manifesting itself as a percieved truth about women.

Many women can and do put up an initially aggressive front. But know this, it is just a front, it's nothing personal, just a practical measure that needs to be taken when you have every second guy in a 3m proximity staring at you. The Bitch shield is FALSE; it is in no way an accurate representation of who this girls is in a normal enviroment or what her personality is like, outside of the fact that she screens people.

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How do you fix someone who thinks all attractive women are aggressive and cruel?

Introduce them to nice women. Get them through that tougher shell. Simple is as simple does.

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Unfortunatly I can't really type anything helpful other than my thoughts on why people believe what they do. It probably won't change many people's views and the people here moaning and gurning about the evils of females will have to look to themselves if they want to get out of their hole.

In love there are always losers, someone has to go down so others can go up. If it happened to you then get up and keep going I mean, hey, a suckers born every minute!

Use a condom.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

sad truth

Chivalry was good?

It was born on the ideal that women were completely helpless by nature and should not really be involved in matters which were in any way important.

As a feminist; good riddance to chivalry.

This post makes this whole thread seem like one big joke.


And that's a good thing, because in reality it's very true what fin's post describes.



Kudo's

(Preface: This thread may have been made a long time ago, but for insight purposes, I talk as if it were right NOW)
Que?
Oh fuck you.
You probably scare them away with YOUR cruel and dishonest attitude.
And what of men who use, and abuse women? How about the fucktards who rape vulnerable teenagers, or label an innocent girl a slut?

Why? Because she didn't put out?

;( Tear...
Or, you've been so harshly rejected you paint a dark picture of women based on IRRELEVANT data.
Or rather, you never got to know women well enough as to know WHY they're unfaithful.
No, you've CONVINCED yourself you saw an ILLUSION.
We can see that; you've placed an iron wall of defense around you.
No, you were just practicing, and FAILING. Apparently, you didn't LEARN from those experiences.

You are SUPPOSED to fail. I failed. Others failed. I chose to learn, and here I am today.
Wannabe "Boyfriend Killer". I hope you realize you'll never win; if she leaves current boyfriend for you, it is because you were the better man; the BMW compared to her Toyota.

But, you're an angry misogynst; you're a fucking angry loon.
Exactly...
I'm fascinated as to your level of female knowledge and intuition.
HOW DO YOU DO IT?!?!?! :0
Whomever says that is an ignorant jackass. ALL women are the same, and all women are different. ALL women have different unique personalities, but they all like cock.

Simple, no?
Blah blah blah
No one fucking cares.
TL/DR.
You're thinking.
And you're vehemently furious
And you're vehemently furious.

Did I mention you're a ticking time bomb ready to explode?
You're a fucking loon.

You're so angry and prideful that even your aura can be sensed over your ISP, and it's strong and toxic, like gas vapor.

I'm sorry for whatever suffering you've may have endured, but realize all can change with a simple mindswitch.

But, you're traumatized.
Something really bad happened to you for a long time.

(For the record, I was bullied and ostracized for over 13 years, from grammar school to college. Don't give me bullshit like "You don't understand")

I do understand. I know your pain; I felt it.

It is IRRELEVANT. Trust me, it is irrelevant. It is the PAST.

Small triggers might pop up here and there, but it's NONEXISTENT.

It doesn't exist.
You are here NOW.

NOW is what matters.

And NOW..you're being a bitch ass motherfucker. Cut the negativity shit.

And stop thinking. Thinking is for the classroom.

Stop trying to figure people out; stop being angry, and relax.
Women aren't as cruel as you think; they just dont want to be around hotheads like you.

To be honest, there are both women and men who can be total pigs. A majority of women, along with a majority of men, fit the unfaithful an harmful profile described in this post.

If you get too attracted to a woman, she can easily hurt you by being unfaithful, just as most men can do to women.

Seriously, does it matter?

People are good and people are bad. Who cares?

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Oh man... I thought I was finished with this now-infamous thread. There seems to be a lot of negativity and outright hostility directed toward my post (or rather some people's interpretation of my post?) and anyone that was brave enough to agree. It's actually rather unfortunate, as this forum is a great place for personal expression of varying ideology which stems from unique individual experience. That is its beauty.

When I make a post, no matter the topic, I do so with the expectation of confirmational and confrontational theories being presented, by people who have read and were able to comprehend the original statements and have valuable insight or personal experience to enrich the subject. And originally I received this - some people posting were able to relate to the analysis and others have had different mileage and were able to articulate that intelligently into proper debate, which was great and for that I thank you.

I admit I was a tad too abrasive, maybe I just like pushing buttons. Another point I failed to mention - though I am picking on females right now I am completely aware that most men aren't worth a damn either. I'm only focusing this inquiry on women at the moment for two simple reasons: (1: a sexist reason) Woman have been painted unfairly in tradition as being sweet, romantic, and loyal creatures. I am not saying that they actually are this non-human portrayal. I am referring to the reality that women who acknowledge their desire as men do have traditionally been socially rejected, solely as a means of control, while men are praised for this same behavior. I'm curious to know if this has any bearing at all, though I suspect it does not. (2: fundamental difference reason) Due to the nature of the sexes women are predominantly emotional creatures, and I would think that if a person felt emotion in such a powerful way as that it could dictate their entire being, it would make one especially sensitive when it came to matters of the heart, which would entail an unbelievable sense of empathy, thus making it far less likely that one would think to inflict high levels of emotional trauma unto those they had feelings for... though due to the statistics I suspect it must easily flow negatively as well, allowing one to become more readily swayed to moments of intense passionate emotion. On the other hand, I believe most male infidelity is attributed to a lack of such emotion and sensitivity.

What's important in the original post are the staggering number of instances of infidelity. Someone suggested as an argument - to the reason I feel confident that with effort and time I can convince any woman to cheat - is simply that most woman are with men who go out of their way to please their woman, losing her respect somewhere along the line. I can attest that this is certainly the case in many relationships, though surely it cannot be that something like 90% of men in relationships are that oblivious? I've witnessed woman cheat who were with men who were naturally good with women, and other combinations of circumstances as well.

As for the others whom clearly did not read or were otherwise unable to interpret the original post, I must say that - judging by the mature responses of others - my point was obviously concise and conveyed properly, therefore your youtube-like commenting and off-subject assessments of me personally and my post are completely unnecessary and invalid. In reading some of your responses I am simply at a loss as to what post you were responding to or where your irrelevant information (which you attempt to attribute to me) had its foundation. Had you read the post you may have realized it was simply an observational piece with its base more in statistics and numerical data I've processed over the years by being a silent observer rather than anything emotional or vengeful. The hostile nature of some of the responses however seems indicative (rather ironically I must say) of someone with the anger/rejection issues which you yourself brought to light. It may in fact be your own subconscious mind presenting you with a self-diagnosis... at any rate, it is at least something to reflect upon. The human mind is an incredible bit of machinery.

Again - with that minority exception - thank you to those of you who took the time to actually read my original post and offer your opinion, whether it be in agreement or otherwise, that is precisely what makes this forum a great place for debate and invaluable insight.

@mattarama - You claim to be in high school, and yet your post was more thoughtful, well-written, and mature than that of many others whom I am certain are well beyond your years. Well done indeed.

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"Jerry Lee Louis is the true king of rock n' roll."

Only a couple of days ago i've had a traumatic event that changed some of my views of the world.I see now what really mathers in this life.
The truth is nothing mathers,we are all animals and what we need is food,sex,shelter and sleep(and so on..).Society makes us believe that we need something to be complete,that we need a car,a girlfriend,a house...and we fight so hard to get it!And then we realise that it isn't what we really wanted,it's what others wanted for us!
I don't want to go into a long post,i will say only this:every value in this world is subjective,your Ferrari is shit to a african praying to the mountain God...So what is true value then?

How do i find myself after so many years of mindfucking by everyone,parents,media,friends...How can you be trully free?

Go watch the movie fight club,and you will open your eyes.This isn't for everyone,this is just my opinion on my life and circumstances.

You have to see that nothing is static,everything is falling apart!So do as I do,assign value to nothing!Beethoven,the Mona Lisa...every value was atribuited by others.
After some time you will have your own value system.Only then will you know who you trully are and what you really want!


Anyway...that's my opinion.

Knuckle head,

i feel sad for ur sexist, depressing attitude towards women. Whatever experiences u have had have given u these beliefs..and it sounds like u have trapped urself into a cycle of only finding trashbags because it is what u expect.

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it's just quantum physics babe

Really? I don't get it... when I walk into the supermarket how do the trashbags know to check me out, and the non-trashbags know to not check me out? Are you somehow suggesting that all women have innate telepathic abilities? I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here - I really do - it just seems that I would have heard about it in biology class or on tv before now...

I'd say the same about your naive, inexperienced conjecture towards women, but I'd be lying. It feels really great being one of the few men that actually gets it.

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"Jerry Lee Louis is the true king of rock n' roll."

I know some of you are just going to completely bash me and I'm ok with that.

Some of you might think "Man this kid's a damn homo" and I'm ok with that.

This is my opinion on the matter...

My entire interpretation of this thread comes from a very biased view because of the way I was raised. I'm christian (BIG SURPRISE!). And I live in a very tight knit southern community. My parents are happily married.

What I'm getting from this thread is that those of us who want to find the one we want to marry have absolutely no hope in finding the woman of our dreams. I dream of a generous, loving, and damn sexy lady! Most importantly faithful. Yea, yea, yea... that woman doesn't exist.. According to You.

I'm young, only 18, and in my past experiences I've seen many of my friends, both male and female, cheat. It happens. We all know this. And to repeat many on this thread. Why does it matter to someone of your caliber? If you don't want to settle down with one woman, then fuck as many girls as you please!

But Do Not Try And Alter Other's Views On Women.

You may say, "I'm only trying to warn my fellow men who need to know that bitches cheat." Yea, bitches cheat. That's why we call them bitches.

And if you take what I'm saying as an insult, then you are mistaken. I don't care what you do. If my girl cheats on me with you, I'm not going to mad at you or my girl. I'll be pissed at myself for not keeping the relationship... SPICY!!

A perfect example of this is on the movie Yes Man. The character Jim Carrey plays becomes the most interesting guy because he does absolutely everything and keeps the girl on her toes. That's my perfect relationship.

I hear it time and time again from my friends who have been cheated on, "I hate that guy, he stole my girlfriend, that asshole," and all I'm thinking is, "It's your own damn fault you boring asshole!"

But enough about them, more about me!

I'm inexperienced. I dated a girl for 8 months that wanted to fuck my brains out, but for some reason my brain is wired into the monogamy mindset. I'm a Virgin ("Man this kid's a damn homo!"). Go ahead and think it... I won't judge you any differently cause that's what everyone thinks. I can't explain why, but I don't want to sleep with any woman but One. I know I'm missing out. I WANT to have sex for the enjoyment, but I Don't Want to have sex for the Happiness.

Damn this post is longer than I meant for it to be.... ANYWAYS!

I joined the Community for one sole reason. I want to increase my female social circle. The more women I meet, the more chances I'll get at meeting my true love ("Man this kid's a damn homo!"). I learned this from the master himself, Mr. Adam Lyons.

So what's wrong with wanting the perfect girl? What's wrong with wanting the perfect life?

What's Wrong With Love?

People these days are losing love, and it burns down to my core. It sickens me to think that love is disappearing because of today's views and matters. As the Beatles say, "All you need is some motha fuckin LOVE!" Well maybe they didn't say it exactly like that, but I like to think they did!

So go ahead and bash my biased views on love, my biased views on relationships, and my biased views on women.

I love me some women and they Deserve to be LOVED!


Hopefully I said everything clearly haha!

I don't feel these types of threads are relevant to the pickup community*. Regardless of the community's ability to attract angry, downtrodden, maladjusted men, I don't see how anyone benefits from these shockingly common discussions trying to somehow deductively conclude women shouldn't be treated like human beings. The fact that most of these maladjusted men want to discuss it doesn't make it any more constructive, the topic is equivalent to trying to establish that people with dark skin are lazy, violent, and untrustworthy.

The KKK has their own websites, other hate groups do as well, why don't you misogynists go congregate with your own kind? You hide behind the principle of open discussion, but the fact is that each and every one of you is trying to justify the belief you walked into the discussion with, and steadfastly refuse to confront the obvious personal issues that give rise to your 'position'.

The champion of the women haters in this thread is a self-confessed sociopath. Full stop. Do you really want to base your approach to relations with anyone on a rationale from someone who is incapable of experiencing empathy?

Entertaining these poisonous ideas is destructive, and undermines one of the most important aspects of any self improvement community: personal responsibility. The temptation to blame your genetics, or busy lifestyle, for being forty pounds overweight is strong and common in the fitness community, being gross is anyone's fault but your own. It's the exact same thing here, each of you clowns buy in wholesale to the idea that the reason you're unsatisfied sexually, romantically, whatever, is because of the morally bankrupt females; it must be, because if it was any other way you'd have to look at the man in the mirror, which you cowards refuse to do. Articulate and cunning as some of you are, I would expect a counter argument along the lines of:

"It's not about blaming the women Wagon, we're just hear to learn about the nature of women and discuss our findings, in hopes that the knowledge we obtain will aid us in our quest to fill pussies with our dicks"

Bullshit. What exactly is the knowledge being elucidated here?

i) All women are morally bankrupt, serially unfaithful, and not worthy of trust or respect

This contention is absurd on it's face, it's unverifiable and disproven by the existence of a single women who doesn't display these characteristics.

ii) Some women are morally bankrupt, serially unfaithful, and not worthy of trust or respect.

This idea is actually a consequence of a truism known to anyone with a lick of life experience, that truism is: Some people are morally bankrupt, serially unfaithful, and not worthy of trust or respect.

Well Whoopdeefuckingdoo, is this what we've gathered here to establish? What a staggering piece of information, now I can confidently go out into the world and... what exactly? You're still going to have to get to know people to decide whether or not you feel they're worthy of trust and respect, and you're still going to be wrong sometimes either way.

iii) Most women are morally bankrupt, serially unfaithful, and unworthy of trust or respect.

Anyone want to guess what logical quantifier one can employ to express that most objects have a certain property is? You're going to have a tough time, because there isn't one. There isn't one because it's logically meaningless without defining what exactly 'most' means, the third contention is rhetoric, it's deductively useless.

-Bottom Line-

Lie to yourselves if you want to, keep thinking this misogyny is born of anything other than the crying disillusioned little boy that you're carrying around in your heart, but don't for one second try to mask this crusade as anything other than what it is under the guise of valuable discourse. This is hate mongering, and it's fucking despicable.

*I acknowledge that I don't make the rules here, and it's not for me to decide what is and isn't relevant to these forums. I accept the moderators decisions on this, I'm just saying that if I was in the drivers seat this sort of discussion wouldn't be wasting anyone's bandwidth.

The whoopdeefuckingdoo made me smile . Thank you hahaha.

I'm very open-minded. I'm only close-minded to close-minded people. If you can't look from both sides then whats the point? What are you learning?

Imagine if a woman said this to you... How would you react?
"All men are arrogant assholes who only use and abuse women. They have no care for our feelings so why should we love them? Why should we sleep with them? Why should we respect them?"
Just take a moment and imagine this.. I would feel personally hurt.

What we HAVE proved on this thread is that there are men in this world who strive to become pick-up artists not only to sleep with women, but to better themselves and those around them. There are men who care for women, love women, sleep with women, but most importantly Respect Women.

So who's to say there's not a woman out there who is the same?