I have to admit I haven't read the whole comments but I read most of them

I have to agree that this fact is true, at least semi true.
I had a time i thought the same thing and couldn't trust women, because I have been cheated and I met dozens of women who cheated with me.

BUT, it happens if their relationship is not based or going trough something. And lets be real her, if an attractive woman will try to seduce a man most chances he's going to go for it, or at least think about.
In a way it's fair, you will do the same thing. BUT faithful relationship do exist.

and one more thing, I said it millions of times PICK UP DOES NOT GIE YOU THE ABILITY TO CONTROL MINDS, if she cheats it's HER fault not yours (I mean if you pick her up and she's in a relationship)

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Streetlight! Thanks for saying that, it needed to be said.

Learning pickup does not give us superpowers no matter what you might believe. Best case scenario it brings you up to a level which many men are at by default... Think about that...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I've read this thread completely and chiming in requires some courage on my part because I expect to be ripped to shreds by certain individuals. Please be gentle

First of all, I'm going to meekly raise my hand and admit that I am a woman. (Quite the imposter here. Sorry about that.) I am a woman who adores the male gender absolutely. I think men by nature are spectacular creatures. (Even after reading some of the woefully negative and inaccurate generalizations some of you have made about women.)

As I understand it, and I could be wrong, a higher percentage of women cheat than men. The men who cheat, however, do so with higher frequency. As one of you mentioned, all of this is in our genes (but our will can still trump our predispositions). We are mammals and no mammal that I am aware of is monogamous.

Knuckle called women simpleminded creatures, which, believe it or not, is the only thing I couldn't let slide. Since I'm on the subject of genetics, I'd like to point out that women are built with nearly twice the genetic information as men. If we were simple-minded in comparison to men, I'd have to wonder why men are generally so baffled by the female mind. Also, simple-minded creatures should not win the multitasking award, yet somehow we do. Don't worry, I don't think either the male or female brain is superior. Generally it seems to me that women know a little about a lot of things and men know a lot about a few things. Neither is better than the other, just different.

Now that that's over with, I'd like to affirm what some of the fairer-minded people have been saying. I myself have never cheated in a relationship. I am 27 years old and considered very attractive. Here's a fun short story: I was a picky purist because that's how I was raised. I had my first boyfriend at the age of 20. He was the first person I had sex with. Within a month or two of being with him, he began trying to get into my email account, looking through my call history and poking through my belongings. For about three years of rapid downward spiral I supported him and forgave his paranoid suspicions because I believed you were only supposed to be with one person in your life, and that meant he was it. Let me boil this down. I was a 20 year old virgin, he took my virginity, and then treated me like a secret under-cover whore. Like I said, I've never cheated. He kept me up until 4a.m. before a final exam one night because he was sure I must have flirted with someone on the bus back from class. The point is, I know men that often are sure their partner is cheating when in reality, it's all in the man's imagination. I'm not saying cheating is uncommon. Many men are right and their girlfriend IS cheating. But when you guys say "Women are cheating manipulative liars and I have no respect for them," I know their perceptions have been skewed in some way or another over the years or they are mentally unstable like my ex was.

Despite my awful experience, I still adore men and picked a much cooler guy the second time around. We're going on 4 years.

Have you ever considered this: The most dangerous creature on earth is the human male. It is the most powerful and the most deadly. Cooperatively, it is the most effective killer on the planet. It can and frequently does whatever the hell it wants with the human female (and other males for that matter). But you know what guys? Most of us women forgive you for it and love you to death anyway. We know that you have a predisposition to end lives; other human lives...and we love you anyway. I don't hear women saying they have no respect for men because of these devastatingly destructive tendencies. Should they? So a higher percentage of women cheat (if you think all of them do, it's simply a demographic issue). It sucks and it's sad, but if we were all going to take a hard line on moral righteousness, I'm afraid men would be on the losing end, because a solid percentage of men cheat, and war is a symptom of your gender. Imagine the countless lives lost to that symptom. If we're going to generalize, let's generalize across the board! Women are cheaters! Men are cheaters and killers!

I will personally pass on extreme and negative generalizations. I greatly respect most men I've known and most of my heroes have been men. If I thought like some of you, I'd have less respect for the male gender than you have for the female gender. In conclusion, if you don't want to forgive the faults of others, what makes you think you deserve for yours to be forgiven?

You can all rip me to shreds now

Ps. All this PUA stuff is really fascinating!

What do you mean? Our cells contain exactly the same amount of chromosomes and the number of cells in our bodies are the same. The X-chromosome is a bit bigger but thats just a bit.

Anyway apart from that, yes, you are right.

People posting here have a very common disease, they have come from a place where women have been in control over them because they couldnt get one. Then they start learning to attract them and they lose their fear. Then they lose the magic and in the end they lose their respect for women.
Everybody stands up and thinks that he is the coolest guy in the world and waaay above everybody else. Its sad really. They have become desillusionized and confuse that with being better than others, that leads to arrogance.

But let me put it like this, the post says that a lot of women cheat, that is true. I say that a lot of men cheat too. However, a lot of people dont cheat. Some do it once in their life and some do it more often. Does that make them bad people? Perhaps, perhaps not.

Does it give you the right to behave like they are shit? No! Why does it bother you guys? Because you dont have the possibility to do the same?
Most guys I know would love to have a one sided open relationship where they are allowed some side experiences and the girl is not. Human nature. But a girl is supposed to live up to your high expectations, get real. People are people, independent of gender.

It is not difficult to understand women, it is difficult to understand people with a different background than yours...

Ezo

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Trine29.. I will reap on you a bit, men and women are not that different and genetically were basically the same, and out interest in "things" (a lot of them or a few) is based on our lives not gender (well obviously it is based a bit on society which is based a bit on gender but that's not the point here)

The point here is "don't think that girls are beautiful creatures", as EZO said this forum is full with people who though of women (or one particular woman) as this beautiful angel, and got hurt. Or men that discover that women cheat (on them or with them)

point is no one is a perfect beautiful creature, we can all be stupid horny drunk or whatever, and women also have dirty thought as much as men, and women do cheat, they cheat more because most men don't know how to seduce a woman they just met, it's easier for women.

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Even in the workplace, academics and any other sphere that isn't related to sex and/or romance? If so, that's ridiculous and bigoted. I hope it's not the case.
This made me laugh. Why? Because I've heard many women say the exact same thing about men.
Can you accept that other people may have had different experiences to you and therefore rightfully think differently to you? If so, maybe you should reconsider your standpoint. Someone must be at least partially wrong.
Again I found this funny to read because loads of women say the same thing about men. I can't count the number of times I've heard it (or admittedly thought it myself).
Incorrect. Now I can't remember the specifics, but women have denser connections in certain areas of the brain including those that deal with reading body language and facial expressions, amongst others (and men have denser connections in different areas). That might be what you meant.

And yes, women are certainly no more simple-minded than men unless it's the result of an illness or birth defect. The notion is pretty silly, really.

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Whow, I must have missed it when I read the original post. That sucks. Everybody are worthy of respect and admiration if they do something cool. If you cannot respect people then you have deeep issues.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

This thread has the potential to digress into a simple battle of the sexes debate. It shouldn't.

To steer things back on topic, let me pose a rhetorical question: who here thinks adopting the OP's mentality would make them more successful with women? And, as a corollary to that question, why would you chose to have sex--one of the most intimate things two people can do-- with someone you have no respect or admiration for?

Also, welcome to the forum ladies

Your boy,
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there is something in that mentality
I totally disagree about the part where they don't deserve respect... that's BS, if they don't, why are you talking to them
and besides that's a ridicules generalization

but.. the mentality that women want sex, that women are not pure creatures created from the mysteries of the unbeing but just humans and that nothing can stop you're game is a good thing

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"StreetLight!! Stop seeing every problem in life like it's a chick you didn't hit on!"

Im starting to think everyone has lost the plot. . .

Women are just playthings, they are toys to make you happy, all you do is make it fun for her too.
I never care if shes married, she's single with kids, she has a boyfriend, has a bitch shield higher than victoria beckham (imagine her bitch shield ) or what ever, the harder the set the better you feel afterwards.
If shes happy and is into you, then it means shes not happy with her squeeze.
Am I not right?

No you are way off if you ask me.

This is a bad mindset. The way you see things when you desperately try to convince yourself that you are the greatest but still know that you are lying.

She is a person, worthy of respect.

The entire mindset people have when they say shit like this is there for only one single reason. To reduce the fear you have when it comes to talking to women. This is shit people tell themselves when they are afraid. You arent actually supposed to believe it for real.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

The problem is that we are all products of our mindset.

Advice here is to give people affirmations; to tell themselves that "they are a 10" and that "if a woman doesn't respond to you it's her loss". The intentions are good and all but it is proven that affirmations can only work if you truly believe them.

And if you truly believe you are a 10, guess what commonly follows? Arrogance. All of a sudden girls who are not a 10 are not worthy of you and so on.

Telling yourself that women are just playthings and not worthy of respect will help you at getting women, but will it really help you? Do you think a woman will stick around if she knew what you really thought of her? I'm guessing not.

Instead, a different mindset is needed. I believe that there is no reason why a woman wouldn't me. This is very different to the "I'm a 10" and other arrogant affirmations. What I mean is that I'm not horribly disfigured and I'm not a bad person, therefore I have a reasonable chance with any woman and have nothing to lose.

It still respects women whilst helping yourself.

hey

women are fucking awesome and i love them

this is what a true artist of seduction believes

probably a bad mindset but give some of these women the chance then im sure theyd use anyone they find as a plaything. i say some because there are some genuinely nice women out there.

i find that what's helping me, psychologically, at the moment is the fact that when i wake up with a girl i think that i have both survival and replication.
before i met the game i was depressed, lonely and sad.
the game has brought me out to be genuinely fun, happy with my life and i pick and choose what i want to do instead of being pushed around.

i'll never be the best but i'll definately strive to be the best i can be.

with or without women who can say they are not a better person and say they regret ever immersing them selves into the game. who can say they havnt improved their life?

Personally, I think that because of the average dating man (AFC-like personality) women have a very general idea of what a man is, and their respect and their opinion of that man is very low.

Even though that is the idea of the man that they are currently dating/married there are guys that don't need to date to have sex, which, a lot of men are dating for the sole-purpose of, and a man that breaks the image/frame of the average whimpy pedestalling man that they have lowers their respect of their man, and their selfishness is raised.


Even though I'm only a highschooler, and one can argue that this is maturity related, even this friday I witnessed three (less than attractive I might add) girls cheat.

I'll admit they put themselves before their men, whenever their men are away, but it's only natural as their men make them feel like they are goddesses that can do whatever they want. But there's a lot of negativity towards women in this thread. Maybe I'm interpretting it wrong but it seems a bit inappropriate, because
I hardly believe that women are responsible for the way they act, but us men are.

Not too long ago were women controlled, like pets. We set them free, and they became adventerous and disrespectful. They went from demanding equal rights to receiving what can be argued as more rights than men.

Not to offend anyone, but the same thing occured with slaves, specifically african-americans.

European nations were violent to blacks, bred the strongest and most violent african-americans, treated them like trash, and then they were set free and people wonder why there is such a high rate of african-american related violence, and a hip hop scene that revolves on, "i don't care what you say, i do what i want".

Men imprisoned both women and minority races. And now they make up for lost time by doing whatever they would like, as the current times allow them to do so.

Not suggesting we go back to the ways society worked in the past, but just think about who is to blame.

Think, "absolute power corrupts absolutely"