Monogamy is (in most cases) just an excuse for Hollywood and Hallmark to make money. Most women cheat even in "committed" relationships and see nothing wrong with it, I wouldn't be surprised if some chicks I macked were cheating on their boyfriend and never told me.... but when you DO find a good woman, keep her attracted, dont be a wuss or you'll make a cheater out of her too. It's never ok to act needy and AFC, even with a long-term girlfriend.

The world is full of providers but few lovers. Alpha males bang the chicks, beta males pay the bills and raise the babies. Alpha males don't but up with BS, Beta males waste time worrying why they get so much of it! (as if they "have no choice" and its all predestined?)

You're absolutely right about clubs and pubs, 870. While I (obvious at this point) have what I consider to be a healthy low opinion of women in general, I would subtract another five levels in regards to that particular party crowd of females. I stopped going there a few years ago. The women I was picking apart in my original post I've met in department stores, through associates, at work, and even in church. My personal favorite venue is the local grocery... I'm sure lots of you know there is a lot of fun to be had.

Just for shits, giggles, and the record, I want to point out that I love the company of the opposite sex... I'm certainly not a guy who holds nothing but bitter contempt for women, or treats them as sub-human in any respect. And we all know more than our share of men just like that. I personally don't think life would be much worth living without females... I merely accept and love them for what they are: simple-minded creatures without morals or integrity, who will prance around endlessly chasing that piece of string you dangle in front of them. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with it because

1)I enjoy it
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2)So do they.

Am I right or am I right? I'm right. And there was an excellent point made about men who lie to achieve their end. I agree 110% and would like to add this for the guy who bragged about lying to women: Try the opposite. Just as an experiemnt, be brutally honest, upfront, and un-sugar-coated with a woman you've just met. You might be surprised at just how much better the reward is, both in the amount of respect you gain from her and the amount you feel you've earned as a man. Liberating.

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What surprises me is the level on contempt for women on a forum that is about meeting and seducing them. Not only that but KnuckleBomb's theory relies on the 30 couples he has met, which has already been pointed out to be a sample so small it is not worthy of even contemplating the conclusions drawn from it.

If I were swap the words "women/woman/girls" in your post for "hispanics/blacks/asians" and then proceed to base these justifications on thirty hispanic/black/asian people I'd met in my short life, I'm pretty sure that would be completely fucking racist and repulsive to almost everyone on here. But exactly the same as what you are doing; generalising about a large segment of humanity in a negative and biased way without substantial evidence.

In fact it makes sense that you would draw these conclusions, in my experience people with similar views and personalities tend to keep each others company. If those people are incapable of anything but a reductive, sexist view on women then they will tend to hang around with people with a reductive, sexist view on women. Therefore it doesn't surprise me that these women in couples you are friends with have cheated on their partners. I'm sure a women who was (god forbid) in a relationship with you would also cheat. Lose-lose.

Lastly, you are either a misogynistic ass or a moron. Trying to defeat an illogical argument with logic is futile, and either way this kind of ridiculous thread should be locked.


Knucklehead, I think you should take a good hard look at what drew you to these conclusions, whether you coud really be wrong and what set you down this path of cynicism and contempt. It's sad to see anyone with this level of hatred for other human beings. And before you say that you don't hate women, I would suggest that the only other feeling that could cause this kind of derogatory horseshit is apathy, and that's worse.

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Perhaps the difference in opinion here is at its source stemming from our individual ideals. If you have let's say a relaxed standard as to what would qualify "decent" or "moral" behavior then it is more possible to say I am wrong. Personally I hold others to the same high standard I hold myself, which in fairness could be considered unrealistic for others to satisfy. i.e. Someone who is of the opinion "Well they're only human/Humans are by nature weak." If that's your opinion then of course that's your opinion and that's fine, though I expect more from others as I am a person of integrity which proves therefore it is possible and it's not exactly all that difficult. In addressing your numerical concerns, the total number was 50, and yes, 50 is still nothing by comparison to the total number of women alive on the planet, however we are not comparing in such fashion. You see, again we're talking about 50 consecutive women... and when you throw that word into the mix well... it doesn't bode well for the fairer sex, does it? Now don't talk down apathy, it's made a ladykiller out of me - and will do the same for anyone else who is curious. I made a post concerning the subject a long time ago for beginners at the seduction table for those interested.

I refuse to feed the troll but am more than willing to debate intelligently. The simple fact that others have posted in complete agreement with what I have said warrants my point valid enough to be debated, and therefore this thread should *not* be locked.

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Firstly, consecutive in what sense? That you met these couples and they are the only couples you've met in a given time period in your lifetime? That every single one of them have cheated? Even if this were true, I think you're forgetting the gamblers fallacy, look it up. The consecutiveness of each event does not have any basis or impact on predicting future patterns of behaviour, not make it more likely that those behaviours will or wont arise again.

Secondly, I will share that of the couples I know deeply (maybe 30-40), who are under the age of 25, on average I would estimate that maybe 50-60% of them have cheated. Between 25-35 I hold that number to be around 15%. Over 40 and that number is much smaller, I can think of one couple offhand. And in my experience, men cheat more in single instances and over continued periods. If I were an attractive girl I expect I could think of as many, if not more men who were unfaithful to their girlfriends with me as (male me) can think of women being unfaithful to their boyfriends with me.

This is only first hand experience but even with that I wouldn't be able to say that those behaviours are certain or not. I simply cannot know.

Lastly, as for the basis of your argument lying in the fact that you hold other people to such un-achievable standards is so far from your original point I would rather not bring it up again. However I will, the problem here being that this argument is not about what I consider to be good or bad behaviour, or even acceptable behaviour, and not about what you think either. But rather whether you can make a sweeping statement about an entire group of people based on a limited, unscientific, biased experience of life. And yes that point would apply to me too, and makes my personal opinions invalid. What I'm objecting to is the underlying message of your posts: that all women are evil, cruel and dishonest, and then gonig even further by claiming that they cannot even control this.

Oh, and the idea that you have high moral standards for behaviour is laughable. If your moral standards condone going onto forums and spewing sexist bullshit then I would certainly not consider those high standards at all.

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Consecutive in the sense that as I meet and get to know people, the end result is never varied. With all due respect, this is not a casino... and I very strongly disagree with your theory that I describe a fraction of personalities rather than a defining attribute of a particular gender. I say they have this in common; you say I simply defy odds. You also state outright that the basis of my study has been limited... which is equivalent to stating that I'm on a fifteen year streak. I have had some good nights at the casino in the past, but that is nothing short of a miracle! Complete fantasy.

Now for the sake of good argument, such a thing could be theoretically possible, though still very unlikely, if (as it has been stated) I were specifically gearing myself toward women of low moral fiber, which are more likely to be of the corrupt "type" you claim to exist. My statistical data would then be tainted as I were more likely to encounter the infidelity I have as opposed to the mythical virtuous woman. I highly doubt this scenario, as the women I've encountered have been of varying personality, habit, venue, spiritual and political belief, as well as age. Most were initially approached by me, some chose to initiate me. The inherit randomness leaves me inclined to doubt such theory.

You have made an accurate assessment in saying that as a woman advances years she will be more hesitant to cheat, the reason however is what gives this point back to me. The hesitation is not one which stems from wisdom, integrity, or maturity. It's one of wrinkles. It is fairly commonplace for a young and attractive woman to encounter many naive men willing to pay bills for sexual payment in return (in more familiar terms, a relationship.) We all realize that as the years come and go beauty withers, as do both the number and quality of potential suitors vying for the purchase. If a woman could remain young forever, immoral behavior would run unchecked until the end of time.

"Lastly, as for the basis of your argument lying in the fact that you hold other people to such un-achievable standards is so far from your original point I would rather not bring it up again."

Actually, I believe this was central to my original point. I find it somewhat nauseating that there are men who write off such behavior. I've witnessed friends and acquaintances suffer to no end the sort of pain that causes madness and can only gain such strength from complete and utter betrayal. Some will be doomed to repeat that disastrous cycle in search of love until the day they die.

My claim that women cannot control their behavior draws origin in experiences from which I've witnessed sobbing females appear to express genuine remorse once the full ramifications have come to bear. Maybe they're actually all masterful actors and I am wrong (as this usually occurs when they are caught red-handed,) though from their own confessional retellings they would certainly imply they cannot control their actions when a certain set of conditions are presented.

"Oh, and the idea that you have high moral standards for behaviour is laughable. If your moral standards condone going onto forums and spewing sexist bullshit then I would certainly not consider those high standards at all."

Having been a friend and brother to many of those unfortunate enough to have been through the painful ordeal, I have witnessed first-hand the emotional devastation of infidelity. It is so massive an offense I could personally never wound another human being in such fashion. I rather enjoy being able to wake up every day of my life and confidently look myself in the mirror. When we refer to the opposite end of the spectrum and why then I do not refrain from carrying on with with "committed" women, it is simply because they are going to cheat with or without me, but it will never be I who can be labeled as the betrayer. "Sexist" I suppose I shouldn't argue, but "bullshit" is not to be found amongst my words, which are little more than a detailed account of my personal experiences, statistical results, and conclusions based on said statistics of which I assure you were not reached in haste. Your mileage may vary.

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Much of what we're discussing relies on firsthand experience which is never going to be a good basis for a discussion. So here, I think we have to agree to disagree, your life experience has brought you to one conclusion. Mine to another.

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On an another note quickly, I would be interested to know, before game. Assuming you are not a natural, which I would doubt. What was you experience with women, pre-game, did many cheat you? Or were your friends of a low social caliber?

Don't take offense, but in my experience of 30-50 people I've noticed that many who hold mysoginistic views have either been of a low social caliber and bad with women, or hurt badly in the past.

My assumption being that you carried these views into your successful dating life. Post discovery of the community.

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I wouldn't say I was a natural per se. When I hear the term natural I picture the guys in high school who constantly have women chasing after them and that was not me. I did however naturally attract girls in my youth without effort (and many times without realisation.) I was not aware at the time that it was my level of indifference and apathy for others that naturally attracts women. As you may have inferred by now, I am (and have for as long as I can recall) been a sociopath. In my experience it is concluded that sociopaths tend to be quite successful in social and professional regards with little effort. My friends are/have also been (same circle of friends now as then) held in high esteem as well as sought after.

Though I dated numerous people throughout my life I only once found myself in a relationship that lasted longer than three months. That girl did in fact cheat, though due to the unusual length of the relationship I felt only relief, as I did now not have to think of some clever excuse to remove her from my life, she created it for me. The general level of ease required is why I have always and continue to preach the gospel of emotional apathy to those who have difficulty in dating. Obviously most men are not sociopaths (30% is what is estimated) however anyone can learn to develop or at least fake indifference should they need it.

I think your profiling is an accurate description for the source of men who possess contempt for women, since no one who holds contempt does so without origin or a misguided plan for revenge upon a group to direct it. It fits with some people I have met as well. As for myself, I view and engage the world around me in a scientific way, no different than the methods I use for approaching problems I encounter when authoring computer programs. All aspects of life can in the end also be reduced to nothing more complex than numbers, equations, and cases. I observe, conclude rationally, and then act accordingly. It often has me coming to odds with those who throw emotion into their interactions and basises, which offers a concrete explanation for our difference of opinion.

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Quick side note of my own: I have enjoyed this debate. Though I disagree with your multi-type woman view, you are clearly logical, intelligent, and strong-willed, and what I would consider to be a worthy adversary on this topic of discussion.

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This thread is amusing. I would like to point out that you said around 30% of men (estimated) are sociopaths, this is absurd. It is actually around 4% out of the total population.

I see. I'm glad you cleared that up as I'm sure there is an entire community of pathologists who would like to thank you for figuring it out. The truth is, 4% is the wikipedia "guesstimate." We are actually both wrong in the sense that it is impossible to know how many people are sociopathic since 1)Most sociopaths are never diagnosed as such. Sociopaths by nature excel in keeping it hidden from the general public. 2)Of the people who are examined, it is a difficult diagnosis to make as it has no concrete definition in the world of pathology. We as a society still have no clue as to the cause or whether it is even a disorder as is labeled as opposed to a particular personality type stemmed from evolution. Because of the elusive nature inherent to the "disorder," there is a certain group of pathologists who theorize that the actual number of sociopaths is much higher, an estimated 30% of men, but even they cannot know for certain. This is the theory I would subscribe to as being more likely. The only fact is that there is still much that is unknown regarding antisocial personality disorder. So in short, we are both wrong, and could debate this subject all day but we will never reach a conclusion.

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This is very interesting.

In my 20's i don't think i would have agreed.

But now im in my 30's it does seem to be true to me.

WHY.

In my 20's i had a friend in his late 30's who only banged married women.
I thought he was bang out of order. wrecking familes blah blah.
He said they are bored, have only been with one guy so less chance of an std.
also the other poor sod pays for her why you get to bang it for free.

Now im in my 30's and most of the women left are low value due to the best women being taken, i am begining to understand a little bit more.
I know some super hot women with kids who i know i could have if i really wanted it.
BUT just because i can does not mean i should.

Abuse of my talents, good nature and very powerfull aura is not what have decided to do with my life.
And i don't believe being drunk on pick up will help you grow as a person.

Women im sure will always give in to a determined mpua's who catched them of guard, but does not mean they should.
It not like you walk down the road and just randomly stick your penis into women and have affairs is it.
I think that when you have been married for ten years it might seem natural after a while to fancy another piece of meat.

Maybe in time i will end up like my former friend.

But not yet anyway.

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Its all to easy.

I want to be a tree!

Me too. In the first half of my 20's though I was doubtful in general I was still willing to give the benefit of the doubt (on a case by case basis.) Now that I am 29 and have seen many more examples, my view has become solidified. Wisdom, says I.

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bleah, what a load of shit

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