So i've done a lot of reading, and decided i finally needed to take it to the field. My wing and i (both new to this) attended a local bar on ladies night. The ratio was like 3 girls for every guy. As soon as we got to the place we ended up opening sets with ease.. opening2 sets 3 sets (male and Female) and even a 6 set. Opening was no issue tonight however once opened i found i had nothing to say and lost their attention very quickly so ended up getting blown out.

Second point. My wing and i need to learn how to work together more fluidly.. sometimes it took too long for him to introduce me when i walked up, he was very focused on his target.

Our last set went great.. here's what happened

My wing opened a 2 set with a very young HB7 and a cougar HB8 (great tits). He quickly learned that they were mother daughter and were here celebrating the daughter's 19th birthday (19 is the legal drinking age here in Canada). So i happened to be walking by and my wing introduced me first to his target (so i knew who he wanted (the coug) then to my target the 19 year old HB7. After some fluffing i isolated my target and did the cube (Thank you STYLE) a little more fluffing and i started getting IOI's. MYSTERY'S Kiss close and boom worked like a charm. So when we return to my wing he's making out with the coug. We exchanged numbers and they actually drove us back to the apt. We chose not to invite them up... thought it would have been wierd if we were to both F close a mom and daughter in opposite rooms but who knows.

So my questions...
1) how do i keep there attention longer
2) how can my wing and i work better together
3) how long should i wait to call her... or should I?

sorry for stealing your post dude but i thought canada was 21 just like the US damn i turned down a trip to canada because of this aww man am kicking myself right now

Hey man, congratulations first of all, the best thing you can have is no fear about trying again! You saif u got blown out a few times yet you kept approaching and you closed to some extent, that itself leads me to believe you will progress fine!

I think to keep the attention more should aim at getting them interested in you! I.e neg them, play cocky funny and create an emotional connection/meaning - i think it is to easy to get caught up just asking them questions and talking shit!

As for the Wing man thing im not sure, i am yet to have the pleasure of a wingman!

Although i would have had no problem with the mother/daughter thing, it may work in your favour because you wouldnt have seemed that bothered about them coming up and it shows there is still more they havnt got from you!

I am sitting in the libary right now, im about to go toilet then approach a girl i can see on her own! my opener... my friend (female) has been going out with someone just a month anf he wants to take her away for two weeks, do u think she should go? What if she realizes she doesnt like him etc.....!

What do you think? Hopefully i dont pussy out and i actually go through with it, i will let u know how it goes man

Hope this helped, keep up the good work bro!

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omg hahaha i totally fucked it up lol......

I went and sat in the seat next to her, i waited ages, like an hour, by which point she had left for like half an hour and then came back! Also, another man had enetered the set which allready consisted of 1 middle aged guy, and two really fat chicks. So here is how it went. . .after waiting aaaaages:

Erm do u mind if i ask u a question (not quite as smooth as that), im going to meet my friend, a girl and her partner who she has only been with for a month has asked her to go way for like a week or two do you you think she shuld go?

We proceeded into a little debate, her saying 'did they know each other before they started going out' and me saying what if she realizes she doesnt like him and is stuck for a week!

She came to the conclusion that she herself would not go (so i through in a neg) me: So your not that adventorous then?

Her: Erm...she stuttered a little.

Then this is where i fucked up, i just couldnt find a smooth transition to anything else, i was gnna ask her about what she studies as she had a macbeth book in front of her, then if she asked the same question about me i was gonna reply with a silly answer to keep her guessing! Instead i just began to flounder a little asked her if she was certain and said i would tell my friend her opinion! I will asses how/what i could have done differently when i get home later, it is annoying aswell cos she was only like a six and i consider myself to be fairly attractive - not with game like this though LOL.

Any opinions would be great!

P.s, i suppose it is better than not trying at all, at least i put myself out there, even if it did take about an hour to sum up the courage! Less procrastinating next time eh!!!

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Thanks!

1) how do i keep there attention longer
2) how can my wing and i work better together
3) how long should i wait to call her... or should I?

Dude! Good job! It is always a success when you can get the daughter and your wingman can get the mom. Cube test-brilliant! I also like the 5 questions game. Anyways, congrats, now for my answers.

1) To keep their attention I always move straight from the opener to "the best friend" test. After you feel like your opening topic is dying, ask 2 of the girls if they are best friends. When they say "yea" tell them you noticed cause they gave eachother the look when I came up to talk to you guys. From here, begin DHV'ing, find stories to help your game! By the time I'm done with 2 or 3 stories, depending on the size of the set, I bounce.

2)One of the ppl who actually got me into the game is my wing, and I can go solo, but wings just make life so much easier. Dude, share EVERYTHING with your wing! Your wing should really know you! I can tell you and your wing are good friends because you already developed a system in letting eachother know which target the other is after. The wingman should never enter the opened set until your in between DHV stories.

BY THE WAY! Wingmen are amazing for 1 thing in particular which spikes your value through the roof! LET YOUR WINGMAN KNOW WHICH OPENER YOU ARE GOING TO USE WITH A PARTICULAR SET BEFORE ENTERING!!! Let's say I open with "hey, did you see the fight outside?" After you spark their interest and the topic is over and you start DHV'ing, your wingman comes into the group, and after intros says "Hey, did you guys see the fight outside?"

I LOVE THIS! It gives the girls the impression that you aren't bullshiting them with a fake story to talk to them.

Thirdly, I always see the call back window as 2-3 days. Calling on the first day screams desperate. On the night of the 2nd day I just call em and say "I was thinking about how much fun I had a couple nights ago and I was thinking you and I should go grab a bite to eat"

Say it confidently and dont make it into a question. I never ask girls questions, they can say no.

But yeah bro! Great kiss close and I hoped this helps!