OK so I'm in a band. I'm the lead singer and when I go out my guitarist and manager always come with me. For the sake of my sanity in this situation just assume that going out without them is not an option.

Anyway, My guitarist was 6th place mr. universe and my manager is a Men's Health model. I'm a kid with limp.....

I can't amog them because they are my friends. More than that they are brothers BUT they are terrible wingmen and whenever we go out the girls always go for them.......

Damn it. I just want to meet a chick and treat her well. I'm not trying to give a sob story here but I'm desperate. I can't compete with these guys. I don't know what to do. Even if I approach them and bring them to the table, my guitarist and manager always monopolize the conversation. I can't get a word in.

When i talked to them about it they said there is no such thing as dibs on a chick. They will hit on whoever they feel like.

I understand that. It's an alpha world the leaders always win. But cripple vs. Mr. Universe. Give me a break.

I'm so f'ing frustrated. Please help me!!!!

Why don't you go out with other people ?

>> I'm in a band.
>I'm the lead singer

I don't see why you have a problem "being alpha".....unless your in a shitty emo band and no chick wants to be with you because you seem to have more problems than they do.

I was thinking that you could maybe try to peacock. In a club or party it is always the most noticable people that you will notice. If I go out, I notice the 2 hottest women, the most sexy dressed woman and the woman that dances like crazy because they stand out from the others. If your 2 friends are as handsome as you say and you are not, of course the women are gonna approach them and not you. Therefore, try to stand out yourself. If mother Nature didn't give you the looks that make you stand out, than it is up to you to make yourself stand out by creating a look that does just that.

Everybody know how an alphamale acts and walks and talks. You have seen it you know it. Nobody gives anybody the right to act that way. It either comes from experience or you just like to act that way.

So you need to give yourself permission to be the alpha male. Going out with two extreme alphas is a gift, you can see what they do and learn from it.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Don's peacocking idea is good... otherwise I'd simply suggest you demonstrate higher value than your friends do in the set.

I advise against that.

You and your buddies are forming an awesome threesome. If you start fighting amongst yourselves for dominance it looks strange. It is better if you just accept that you gotta shape up in order to keep up.

They accept you as one of them and that makes you cool.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Guys. Thanks a lot for the advice. I do agree that being with these guys is an opportunity to learn, and peacocking is definitely first on my lift. I have a hat, and a cool cane. I mean if I limp I may as well work with it right. BUT It's seriously a david and goliath situation here. I mean I respect the fact that my game needs improvement... A LOT of it. That's why I'm here. But a lot of the time I can't even get a word in to even work on my game.

Or I'll be talking to an HB, things are going great and then Mr. Mens Health comes along and just PULLS her away and talks to her. Once that's happened I'm done.

I mean what should I do... go right back over and pull her back.

Thanks for the advice so far guys. Much appreciated

Cheers

If your realy desperate, chicks will notice.
Remember the ones that look hungry don't get fed. I don't know if you act desperate in front of girls, try to find that out.
And otherwise try what DonPUA said.

you know, i'm not of the same opinion as these guys, you should stan up to them, and tell them to fuck off, if you're working on a girl, and your supposed "mate" comes in and steals her, then that's just bullshit, remember, one rule of the wings is to never hit on a girl before you know who the alpha's target is ffs, you're supposed to all help each other, merge sets and all that shit, not steal each other's girls.


Seriously, think of the image they've got about you , that will make em have no respect for you and do that? Seriously, grow some balls man, come on, step up.

Along with the peacock idea, maybe trying go out sometimes by yourself, and gaming girls, or seperating yourself from your friends, when u go to the club, and use them as an escape ie the "I have to get back to my friends" when grabbing the number... if either doesn't work and their constantly still taking your girls, then you need to get new friends...

Well, if your conversation is going bad, it is not a big deal if your friends steal her away from you. You can feel that you are going nowhere and if that is the case the best for both of you is to stop conversation. So I wouldn't see that as a problem. You should stop thinking about getting the hot girl. At this moment you need to practice your game. Therefore, if a convo is going bad, stop it and go practice on the next one. In the meanwhile your alpha friends are busy talking to the first girl they stole away so you can game as many other girls as you want without your annoying friends stealing anyone away. I can tell you are putting to much emphasize in getting the girl. You have to shift your focus. You don't have to get the girl. In fact, it is better for you if you don't get the girl. Imagine you get the girl. Then what ? You can marry her maybe. And get children with her. But you still are the same beta male as always. According to me PUA is not about getting women. It is about becoming a confident and sociable person. Getting women is just a nice side effect of that. So stop focusing on getting laid and shift your focus towards becoming confident and sociable.

donPUA is right, you should focus on practising your game and not focus on getting laid.
If your game is tight (wich is only possible by practice) they wont be able to steal anything.

I also think your friends steal the girl your working on, because your friends dont consider you an alpha. So you'd need to tell them they need to stop beeing dickheads and only interfear with you if you allow/want them to. Even if you can deal with the interfearence, it's still very annoying if a 'friend' interfears instead of a stranger.
And if they realy have a too dominant vibe going on in wich you can't operate, then my advice is to practise without them.

Dude, Don Pua's advice is top dollar.

Though it's difficult to get an exact flavour of what's happening here.

Are your buddies relying on you to do the approaching or do they approach chicks too?

I figure if they are relying on you to do the approaching, just go out one night and don't approach any girls.

or,

If they approach girls, what's to stop you starting conversations with the girls THEY bring over?

I find it hard to believe that ALL girls find them more attractive than you. That just can't be. No Guy is EVERY girls type.

I've got a super alpha, super gorgeous mate but we have polar opposite taste in women and it kinda evens out.

Keep us updated though, maybe FR a specific ngiht out? We could prob give more info on what behaviours to change for the best advantage

Since you the Lead singer , you could somehow convey that u are the leader in a story throw some DHV spikes in it, and also due to the fact you have a disatvantage it could be an advantage the fact that ure crippleed you could use another story with DHV spikes in it

Like you know alot of ppl view me as just a crippled person but no im a warrior because of this i have to do better then everyone ima s urvivor and im constantly taking risks out here etc.. the point is use stories and dnt let the fact that ure crippled be a problem , use to ure advantage and make it seem like a gift The fatc that ure the lead singer is an advantage as well

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