Okay I have recently turnt of age and finally start hitting the bars and fuck is so much more difficult than house parties. 95% Approaches has to be cold, girls seems more intimating and cold, I try to do the usual eye contact pull, it does not work well in the bars, well because is dark as fuck usually and u cant really see. So I need some help from bar veterans, I have some basic questions I think that will get me to start off on a better track.

1. What should you do pregame? Do you suggest drunk sober slight tipsy, dress down from the bar usualness or dress up a notch

2. I noticed opinion openers work very well in the bars, but how do you usually transition or turn conversation to more than friendly pace? Pace to escalate? Alot of girls i talked to in the bars and attractive female friends of mine always complain that they are too many creeps in the bar, I certainly dont want tread the water of being of a creepy, but is that necessary to test the line for my first few weeks/months?

3. How the fuck do you open girls that are dancing by themselves or sittin in circle table in a loud ass environment? yell over?

4. Should I keep high energy convo talkin about fun shit? Or should i only enter set with high energy then slow down with mystery method to seduction, but it seems impraticable with a loud motherfcking environment..

Thanks ALOT GUYS, I had alot of questions, if you can help. Fuck thank you, i dont know what else to say.

Okay, since I'm not particularly experienced in bars, I wont give too much advice, however, if there is an HB dancing by herself, get your ass over there, don't say shit, and start dancing!! Dumbest thing I ever saw a friend of mine do was try to talk to a girl ON the dance floor where it's the loudest.

After you've danced for a few minutes, and the songs are transitioning, you can say something. Use the time you've been dancing to look at what she's wearing. Make a comment on it. The dancing is an IOI on your part. So when you comment, neg.

It goes like this:
1) Go up and dance
2) Observe
3) Light neg
4) Dance
5) Isolate

That's the only thing I'm good with in bars. Try it out!

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If the dream is won
Though everything is lost
We will pay the price,
But we will not count the cost.
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hmm i have tried pretty much everything above except the light neg, can u be more specific?