What are your opinions on a Byronic personality as an avatar? Not strictty natural game because you will have to create this persona, but if you read teh qualities of hte Byronic hero in the links I've provided below, you will see that a lot of htem match what the PUA and/or the natural is supposed to project. Even this deep dark crime that the person has committed in the past, says "bad boy". Even the attempt at reforminig is kind of like "willingness to emote", although not exactly.

Look at the moment at what is happening to Tiger Woods, for example. In the beginning he was a goody two shoes, popular for being the world's best golfer, but there was very little that was interesting about him from a dramatic point of view. He didn't show anyhting of hte badboy, in fact he was kind of like a white black guy type, kind of like Will Smith's cousin in Fresh Prince of Belair.

Now look what happened to him since hte affair. His return to golf got unprecedented media attention. He had more fans at his comeback than ever before. The public is really interested now, and mark my words his popularity will skyrocket from here because of this affair.

Similar things happened to other stars cought up in scandals (Errol Flyn was accused of rape for god's sake, the aforementioned Lord Byrone slept with his half sister! Both became more popular with women afterwords, probably because htey projected the Byronic trait that they are "basically good")


And for those of you who may not know, the Byronic hero is closely liked to Byron's realy personality. And if you look at these links you see he understood "pick up" very well. He was a natural. For example, he never had painters paint him with a pen in hand, always a man of action, kind of like what htey tell us to do on facebook profiles. Also he went to fight with the Greeks against the Turks (leader of men, adventurous risk taker, etc). He is considered the first "rock star celebrity" with the media attention he got.

And read about how women were hooked to him to the point that they didn't care about their own reputations!

Very very interesting example of a natural.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byronic_hero

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gor ... aron_Byron

OK, nobody replied but I started using this avatar and it seems to be working.

1. the girls start to qualify ME! But you are a nice guy (the Byronic character is basically a nice guy, so it fits)
2. It gets me preselection by saying that I have hurt a lot of women in the past
3. It gives me an excuse to continue to see other women if somehow I get cought out (my libido is too strong, but I am tryig to change this through meditation techniques... but what can I do if women keep throwing themselves at me?)
4. It adds mystery. What is in this person's deep dark past that he feels he is so messed up?

Also, I want to add..if you look historically this archetype existed long before Byron. Even legendary figures such as Lancelot, King David, etc have elements of the Byronic character.

It transcends cultures and religions. Cult figures have some of these traits. Even pop culture icons such as SPAM, James Bond, etc have elemnts of it.


I think I am really onto something here...surprised no one commented.

I definitely like the idea of the Byronic hero, that's what old-school seduction is all about!

Byron was "the bad boy women wanted to cure" so of course they were attracted to him. Now about projecting the Byronic hero.... or rather the Byronic Rake... it's hard to do unless you already have a bit of experience as a natural seducer, but it's a very interesting idea. Basically you're letting women know that you've broken a lot of hearts, you can't stay faithful to one woman (or as Diego Rivera said it best, "I am inherently incapable of fidelity - just ask my doctor, he said I'm one of the most chronic cases he's seen, and there's no cure!")

Make women WANT to tame you. Every woman likes a challenge, that's why "bad boys" are so popular. Even more popular are Byronic bad boys who have a good heart but still can't stop being bad boys.... Casanova was the perfect example of this, he was the ultimate bad boy charmer who still could expose his vulnerable good heart from time to time.....his memoirs are written in such a charismatic way that you can't help feeling empathy and even cheering for him every time he faces a sticky situation, despite the fact he jilted fiancees, slept with married women like it was a daily routine, left lovers behind with children and debt, and even had a threesome with a mother and daughter with no shame to show for it - he still comes across as basically a very adventurous guy with overall a good heart, and a BAD BAD lower half that every woman wants to tame but never can.

Just curious, HOW exactly did you use this "Byronic avatar"? What to you tell girls, that makes them want to chase you? I do think you're onto something BTW, and I have a feeling that it may well make TONS of cash and put the whole PUA industry out of business!

Well, I've been taking meditation classes, so I tell them that the meditation is a way of controlling my unusually strong sexual desires (to this they may say something like, "oh all guys are like that" or "but you're a nice guy", which is a way to get them to qualify you). I say that I've broken a lot of hearts, but I want to become a better more serious person. However, I'm still very much a work in progress.

I should point out, however, that this goes slightly against the Casanova avatar you just described, because I'm not being unashamed about it. I'm admitting a fault, but saying that its very difficult for me to fix.

Well it does and it doesn't.... Casanova may have shown that little vulnerability your described, I haven't read the whole Memoirs but I've read a large part of them, so I wouldn't know for sure.... I'm tempted to think of Bill Clinton and how he was always "trying" to change (on his own terms) but of course failing hehehe. Women want to tame the rake, that's how he seduces them.

So basically the idea behind the Byronic avatar is that you're admitting somewhere in the interaction that you're a libertine and a heartbreaker, BUT you're trying to "reform" yourself, and falling down/relapsing quite a bit in the process.

Here's my question - has this approach gotten chicks in bed with you? Because I recall trying something vaguely like this long ago and it didn't get anywhere, I said I was a heartbreaker, watch out, etc... the chicks didn't try to qualify me or pursue me, they were just like "oh.... ok I guess". Now I admit I was a bit AFC back then and I wasn't really coming off confident when I said I was a heartbreaker... and I probably sounded too serious. How humorous/playful do you have to be for the whole Byronic "reforming rake" thing to really get girls attracted?

And besides meditation, what are some other common "methods" of controlling overactive sexual desires that a Byronic guy can mention? Is exercise/weightlifting a good one to mention? As I do a lot of that... (at least when I have time).

Well I don't think excersize would work in this case...it has to be something spiritual I guess. Even a shrink would not work right in this case because it would make you seem weak. Perhaps yoga?

The answer to your question is no I have not managed to get anyone in bed using this. I just started after all, but it does not appear to be an obstacle at least. After the initial qualifying they continue to let me sarge them as normal. Only one of them actually brought it up later, but she was the one that I laid it on thickest with. The others I just mentioned it once or twice.

Additionally, however, it is another routine to use. The meditation I mean...you can use NLP techniques and deisguise them as meditation, which has a more noble, spiritual and romatic air than "neuro-linguistic technology" and so htey would be more inclined to accept it. Also you can talk to them about what their problems are which they can use meditation to fix. So it is good for establishing connection.

Incidentally, my meditation teacher spoke about how some people get so into their meditation that they no longer feel the need to have sex. I have used this as a disqualifyer of sorts, although I don't actually tell them that my goal is celibacy. I do tell them that I would like to achieve this level of nirvana. So far the reaction to this has been mixed.

Yoga is tricky... I dont do yoga or a whole lot of meditation... In a sense I feel there are only so many lies one can tell until the avatar falls apart at the seams. If the spiritual aspect is really effective then use it but I have my doubts it really works on most girls.
Well then it remains to be seen how effective it is. I think the trickiest thing about avatars is actually living the character, integrating the avatar so it's your new identity. Almost like you feel that you win even when you lose, even a rejection is a conquest. After all, you have to believe you are Byron in order to become Byron. All the same I think your method definitely needs field testing, I'm very interested in how Byron actually did it himself. Yeah he was a rich aristocrat, but there were thousands of other aristocrats who had no skill with women whatsoever - so he DID rely on a form of natural game rather than money.
Here's the problem I see with that - it looks like it's not very situationally applicable to most women. I see how it could work if you get a girl alone at a private beach or a mountain view or somewhere secluded. But that's kind of like putting the cart before the horse. Basically using meditation to channel NLP techniques has a temporary effect unless you invest the bulk of your effort in it, which is more "try-hard" and less "natural game" since you are still seeking a specific reaction. It might not strike a chord with chicks who are not "spiritual" types... which makes me wonder, how was Rasputin able to use mystical hypnosis to seduce women?
This sounds interesting but it begs the question - if you are using this as a disqualifyer, basically you are telling the girl you have no interest in sex - in so many words.... the way I see it you might wand to leave this extreme case out of your Byronic avatar... i.e. you want to be a sexual being, who merely is trying to control his desires, not stamp them out altogether. Girls generally take a very aloof attitude to guys like that, because it looks like they're bragging "I'm so horny I'm trying to meditate so I never desire sex again"... it comes across as fake and doesn't really fit with the Byron character. Are you planning to balance this out with a lot of double entendres and sexual innuendos? Because then it MAY work, otherwise the girls would probably say "well good luck with that...er.... I have to go..."

I think its best if to mention the Byronic heartbreaker-trying-to-reform details casually in passing on the day 2 when the girl starts asking questions about you. That way it sounds really natural (perhaps you are already doing this...) Plz keep posting on this thread about your progress, I'm curious to see your results

Sure I will.

I don't think it comes across as fake because I am very interestd in NLP and to a certain degree meditation as well. It is not completely part of my character yet, but I could easily, and have considererd, modifying my dress sense to reflect meditation type personalities (you know more leather, retro, ethnic clothing, etc).

I do agree with you that it is better to drop things little by little than go all at once. You don't want to talk about one subject only...they will get the impression that you are a one trick pony. (I know a guy who is an amazing dancer, but dance was all he kept talking about to his female friend of mine, who is only a six btw and he's at least an 8 physically, and she got turned off. Plus she said he was needy).

And from my experience MOST women, almost all in fact, are into spirituality in some way. Remembe this is not the same as religion, it's spirituality, so you can use it on people of different religions even, just as there are people who describe themselves as Christian, Jewish or Muslim, etc Buddhists. This sounds like a contradiction but in some ways it is not. A famous example of this is the singer/poet Leanard Cohen who went to live in a Buddist monastary but remained a Jew.

One more thing occured to me...it is possible to not even mention meditiation, yoga, etc while practicing this avatar. You could give hte impression that you are becoming older, more serious, want to fool around less and settle down. That sort of thing. After a while though people may begin to doubt it if you are constantly on this never-ending journey, but it would take a while.