I can approach average chicks, groups of guys whatever. My real sticking point is opening woman who I am actually attracted to. If there is no attraction I just open, no drama. But if I find the girl attractive...man.

I guess I'm looking for a magic bullet here, or at least some solid advice.

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I smell good, I feel good, I make love good...I'm not worried.

Try to find something about the girl you find UNattractive. No one is perfect so you should be able to spot something, if not then imagine she has hairy armpits, spotty belly,lice in her hair...anything to turn you off.

Failing that - game girls you only find average and build from there

Talk to one of her averager mates first, make her want to address you. Then slowly start including her into the conversation until you're mainly talking to her.

If she's alone: Have a few shots lol. No, just pick the perfect opener, it'll give you confidence knowing you have that in your arsenal. I have the exact same problem dude.

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Take it easy, or take it anyway you can...

This comes from a scarcity mentality. You are attracted because she is hot, thats normal. But if you consider this:
There are a lot of attractive women out there, you can afford to not be attracted to them all. There is a higher quality than beauty here, she has to be socially savvy too. And you dont know that until you talk to her. So, you cannot be attracted before the approach.

That should do it.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

All great advice, that’s why I love this forum

Ezo you're a champ. I need to develop that mind set, you're right beauty is common until I talk to them how the hell do I know they're not just a complete tool. Great advice I just need to make the leap from knowing something intellectually to having it become a belief...that’s another thing I and probably everyone else on earth struggles with.

Any words of wisdom about turning an intellectual truth into a belief?

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I smell good, I feel good, I make love good...I'm not worried.

I lost my scarcity mentality when I realized that girls are just like us. They have tits but thats like the major difference. They are flawed just like us, annoying, weak, self centered, losers, insecure and generally crappy. Just like all of us.

And I realized that my inner game is waaaay better then theirs and thats when I realized that they do actually have to live up to my standards. They have to prove themselves as well as I have to prove myself. It works both ways. Dont believe that bullshit some of the inner game rookies tell you that only the girl has to qualify. We all qualify ourselves to each other all the time. We just have to realize that now we are playing the game with girl rules. We have the same rights that they have.

Get some female friends and see them behind the magic, it is nothing special, they arent magical creatures, they just pretend to be. Just like us PUAs...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

This viewpoint may help some people.

I had a bit of an epiphany with girls/women recently - I was on a meet with a woman and thought "She is sooo AFC..." and it hit me that the reason girls are not attracted to AFCs is because they are too much like them!

Think about it - girls will not approach or they will do it very subtly. AFCs are reluctant to approach. Girls will hide their sexual interest (at first) so will AFCs. Girls conversations with men can be very lame ditto for AFCs.

Also it helps to try and see things from their perspective - girls are acutely aware that men base most of their attraction on looks and that looks do fade with age. It must be very nerve wracking for them. Also consider that they are not so much attracted by looks and it's more of a character/personality basis for attraction - they have NO choice but to test as they know looks ARE deceptive.In truth it must be like being in a state of fear and paranoia a lot of the time - which is why they want drama and fun - they NEED that escape. Some girls are very dependent on men to provide that.

Your job is to make them forget themselves and everyday life