what do you guys think about negging in general.? what I mean is, tonight, there was not one girl at the pub I wanted to hit on. so I talk to a couple or waitresses who know me, and used some new tools I have from this community and negged a couple just to see what kind of reaction I could get. I was not hitting on them, just trying to elevate my perceived value. and to see what would happen. what do you think about negging women who you are not hitting on in general to get your perceived value up?

and I totally failed on the way to the bar, had some barely legal girl eye balling me and all I did was return the eye at the gas station..I could of at least number closed but I am not trying to just hit and quit..any way...this community rawks! keep up keeping men on the ups!

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Not sure what the question is really.

Negging is a tool that you use if you need it. Not if you dont need it.

There is nothing wrong with negging and nothing wrong with not negging, you just have to do it when appropriate.

I almost never neg, but I usually dont have to.

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Well I don't think it's a good idea if you want to project more value then use your body language, fashion and you will get more attention than throwing NEGs.

Remember NEGs are (most of the time) part of the M3 model (Mystery method) and they have an intention:

"The Neg is a very powerful tool. You simultaneously raise your social value relative to hers, while apparently disqualifying yourself as a potential suitor for her. "

If you want to learn more about NEGs and find some examples this might help:

http://pualife.webs.com/a2attracting.htm

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negs = antagonism = attraction

For young, flaky, slutty girls I think they can be critical.

If a girl is a little more mature, or has a really high interest level, probably not so much.

Not sure why even the moderator of this forum has no idea what negs are for, but buddy, you don't know what you're talking about. Positive you could of number closed this chick, but don't even know what reaction occurs when you neg a girl?

Only works on slutty girls? What are you dudes even talking about, more mature women are THE SAME. It is a FALSE DISQUALIFICATION! Please people, read the material, and try to gain an understanding of it. Otherwise you are going to just be talking shit to girls and have them thinking you're an asshole.

So Jackb, define a neg for us.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I didn't say that negs should only be used on certain types of women. I just think they are more EFFECTIVE on certain types.

Buddy, pretty easy to see what you are doing. If you can't dissect the answer from my post, then...you're dumb.
Yes, let's neg the girls with no self-respect and low self-esteem. Woot! You're winning her over already!

So you disagree that negs have more of an effect on certain types of women than others?

I'm saying you have it backwards. You are negging the girls that you should never neg.

If a girl has a high interest level (whether from previous interactions, or your physical appearance, or maybe some DHV you did, whatever), you don't need to neg very much. And if a girl has a really high interest level, you could damn near make every mistake in the book and still pull her.

Mature women who have been around the block and don't think they're hot shit anymore, yes, I think negs are important, but you don't have as much of an "I'm a goddess" syndrome to have to break down.


A flaky 21 year old girl with a perfect body and guys drooling all over her every day? I fail to see how that is a "low self esteem" girl, and she needs to be negged pretty hard.

Jackb1990, maybe I wasn't that clear in my answer.

My opinion is based on my experience. I DON'T think it's a good idea to go around just throwing NEG's without even opening the set. The hardest thing about using a NEG is calibration.

Now, I do agree in the use of NEG's but in the correct situation, my last post had the intention to illustrate that there are better ways to create value, like having good body language, being well groomed and good inner game, instead of throwing NEGs to girls "who you are not hitting on in general" and just "to get your perceived value up" and this is just my opinion.

NEG - an ambiguous statement or seemingly accidental insult delivered to a beautiful woman, with the intent of actively demonstrating to her, and her friends, a lack of interest in her. - from the FAQ of the MM site

And answering to your "Not sure why even the moderator of this forum has no idea what negs are for, but buddy, you don't know what you're talking about."

I'm talking based on my life, and remember there are many ways to use the techniques not only the way the "gurus" present them. I have stop using NEGs, I'm more into C&F.

About the who you NEG and who you don't here it is "according to Fast Seduction":

"No more than 2 negs on an average HB (7-9/7-9), a maximum of 3 on a super HB (10/10). Negs are pretty much a necessity for 10s or strippers (whether they're 10s or not - simply because they are in an environment which is conducive to them thinking they are 10s)"

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JackB this should help you understand what a NEG is and how to use them, read the link posted earlier in this thread if you are still confused.

You were perfectly clear in demonstrating that your "life experiences" come straight out of a book.
You realize kissing moderator ass doesn't get you laid right? Stop being so presumptuous, it is very disheartening.

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