So I dont wanna be arrogant posting this long pst but I am part of a pretty volatile friend group where everybody thinks they are the AMOG and so I wanted to make a post about them. Anybody can add to this post if they want.
AMOG STRATEGIES
Simple Insult Often AMOGs will just diss you. You're dumb etc. These insults lower your value to the group and for people who are not particularly confident these comments can totally take you out of you're happy frame and make you angry, sad etc.
Sarcastic Insult "Isn't he cool" etc. These insults are more effective than the simple ones. They involve the group and can give you a sense that everybody is against you. Again they can take you out of frame make you angry etc.
Behavioral Analysis "Oh so you're trying to be tough now?" These Amog tactics both make it appear to the group that they know you're psychology or whatever and completely invalidate what you are doing. This strategy is one of the most effective in my experience.
Exculsion This strategy occurs when the Amog brings the group to his side and excludes you completely from the group. The exclusion tactic is one of the most painful especially if the Amog has enough pull on the group to truly exclude you.

Post defensive strategies as well as good offensive ones.
One big question I want to ask is whether a pua should use these tactics on a group?
I also want to talk about leadership styles later for when you are the amog of the group.
More to come on all this later I got to go for now.

We haven't talked about defence of these techniques.

Ideas...

Simple insult, sarcastically add to the joke, making the AMOG look silly 'Yeh it's not as if i'm a graduate or anything' - If you have just graduated and said AMOG is still studying.

Sarcastic insult. Not sure here. Possible take it, laugh about it and make sure in the long run you give as good as you get, ie. get him back later.

Behavioural analysis. I'd say your example could be challenged if your obviously bigger or obviously tougher. You could even push his game right out in to the open. "Haha seriously buddy, I know it's obvious I am much tougher than you but if you wanna come along to the gym from time to time your more than welcome".
Or even, aaaah look he's trying to find some friends in the group (laugh, offer a hug)

Exclusion is rather difficult but also relies on the rest of the group playing ball. If you can engage another member or two of the group surely you can hold them out of that. You could reach right in and say 'shit look at that group that just walked in' or 'guys this place is dead, are we moving on or what?'. Or let it roll naturally and just dissapear to the toilet.

What do you think?

Should a PUA use these tactics? I would say yes slightly, in a jokey mood giving as good as you get. Using tactics like the exclusion or behavioural analysis would just make you a bit of an arsehole. and to be honest if someone kept doing it to me i'd probably get pissed off an call him out or take him aside. 'Oh so your trying to be tough now?' 'Well i'll tell you what dick-head either start being a bit more sociable or stay at home, failing that I could break your nose for you!' Depending on reaction 'Wink and laugh'-but you have put him in his place. 'If he awkwardly replies. 'Ok mate, apologies, maybe that was being a bit strong but you are being a dick-head'. Hopefully he doesn't take you up on the offer of the fight, regardless of whether you can beat him or not as you'll both look idiots, however if he does you may have to back your mouth up.

(Maybe I went a bit too far at the end there but if someone is being an arsehole sometimes it's good to tell them, maybe avoid the confrontation and take them aside and say, look mate your being a dick head)

In my opinion all this AMOG stuff is ok when it is a laugh and you can give as good as you get. But when people start excluding and being obviously offensive your just being an arsehole and you risk getting a punch in the face.

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Tony T

Ya good post I agree with what your saying. I think we can sum up defense into agree, ignore, or AMOG back.

Agreeing is most effective on the insults: if an AMOG insults you--nice shoes--and you say "ya i agree they kinda suck", you kind of disarm the insult and it has no effect on the group. Even for, "you think you're tough" say ya I do, and you basically disarm him. Agreeing while a little bit soft can be really effective.

Ignoring is my favorite strategy. Good ways to ignore include a little chuckle at what they said, an odd stare followed by a change of topic etc. If you have good social proof in your group when you ignore you send the message that ignoring is the proper thing to do and that AMOG's comment means nothing. The only thing never to do when you are ignoring is to show sings that the insult affects you: if you start turning red, talking with a little shake in your voice etc., the power of your ignore tactic is completely destroyed.

I agree with the previous post that AMOGing should not be a top strategy for a PUA, however, when being AMOGed one can begin using the AMOG offensive tactics above to take back control of the group.

Cool so you're the AMOG now what???
Once you take control of the group, especially if you do it through diffusing the previous AMOG, you will have to lead.
Some leaders will build a competitive environment--anybody says something dumb they're getting insulted. We have all been in groups with this type of leader. Some groups will have a daring leader we have also all been in groups where one kid acts as the dare-devil and everyone treats him as a legend.
Some groups will have a fun leader who treats everybody with respect and tries to make eveything fun.

One thing to remember is that once you are the leader you set the mood and attitude of the group. Group members will not sarge a girl you appear to be looking at, girls in your set will not hit on anybody but you. Personally, when I am in this position I set the happy mood because I think it makes people less likely to usurp my leadership, because I am a happy nice type of guy, and because I personally like to be in happy fun groups. I have, however, as everybody on this forum probably has, seen effective leaders using other leadership styles, I guess its all what you are comfortable with.

Everybody feel free to post more about leadership styles, defensive techniques, and offensive technique or just your opinions.
I'm also wondering now about how to deal with people trying to take your power as a leader.
More to come later on using AMOG status etc. to help with girls gtg for now.
Fiery

Can you give some obvious real life examples of people trying to take your power. Not sure I understand that well...

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Tony T

idk about this all the time. i could see ignoring the AMOG could be powerful if the group has already begun to accept you as the 'new' amog. ignoring the amog right off the bat will get you excluded pretty quickly imo.

Sarcastic insults are easy as hell...

"Oh, isn't he cool?"

"Why THANK YOU! That means -so- much coming from you, bro!"

Sarcasm kills sarcasm.

This is good for AMOG defense:
"Hey man try not to ruin the vibe we're havin fun here "

Think about it. If someone said it to you, you'd be hit and then watch from the sideline as he takes control of the group.

Yeah been surounded by AMOG's all my life, my brothers one, bastard.
Agreeing- For me the best way, because if done correctly, it shows you genuinely don't give a fuck about what he's saying. For instance, AMOG points a joke at you, then you actually push the joke further, don't just agree. If the jokes funny and it makes everyone else laugh- you win.
Ignoring- The worst way for me, because you let people take the piss, but if I'm the AMOG, its the best way... For instance, BMOG (don't know what beta is) takes the piss, you just look into everyone elses eyes like WTF??
Giving shit back- The steady medium, although this shows you care what this guys saying, therefore no one wins.

In the end, looking at it logically, the best thing to do is just not care- that doesn't mean get angry because that means you do care. Just don't thnik about what the AMOG or the group is thinking.
Great thread fiery

I feel like out amoging is one of my best qualities , ive put up with a lot of shit over the years and well you just develop a resistance to it. Also i hang round a lot of alphas e.g. A load of my friends are rugby players and theese are the type of guys who realy dont give a shit about anything , they get naked infront of eachother are always fighting with one annotehr so i always see how they out alpha one annother. Heres what my friend does sometimes if i was to greet him with "alright gay boy " ( in a jokey sort of manner )he would completely ignore me and look another way making me look like a tool or making me repeat myself which both techniques lower my value.
The "your dumb" I would just smirk raise my eyeborws and say "niiiiiiiceeeee" elongate it in a kind of sarcastic manner and then give the group a funny look, the key is not to talk too much just keep it SHORT AND SIMPLE !

Again "isnt he cool " i ignore the sarcastic manner do a flase laugh and go haha thanks and continue as normal.

"Oh so you're trying to be tough now?" i would probably buy into his frame for this one and go "yeah boy" ............."grrrrrrrrrr" pose and point in a direction so im tensing and say something like "the beach is this way" and either a) change the conversation too the whole group saying how i love the beach and totally ignore his anger or b) if hes still angry and u havnt made him laugh by breaking his anger state i will just say too him "theirs no need to be hostile , were all out for a laugh , cummon leave that attitude at home "

sarcastic compliments are usually my favourite.

"i wish i could get even half as funny as you one day"

or just belittle him so much it's unreal

"awwww, look at him tryin to be funny. bless his little cotton socks"

i also find that adding names like kid, lad, son and little man onto the end of a sentance to him kinda add the impression i'm of higher value than him. which works the opposite way round when winging too, if you refer to the pua you're trying to convey HV for as man, dude, mate and big man, they instantly have higher value

I'm back as i said I would be. First to answer a few questions:
Can you give some obvious real life examples of people trying to take your power. Not sure I understand that well...

Its basically when you are the social center of a group and somebody tries to infringe upon that. For example, lets say you are telling some great story to a group and somebody interrupts or starts dissing your story. I that case you were holding court in the group and this AMOG dude is trying to take your power.

Ignoring is my favorite strategy.
idk about this all the time. eez-b
eez-b I completely agree with you, thats why I said in my post "if you have social proof" then ignoring is a good strategy. If you're not familiar with the lingo, having social proof is being the person in the group that people look to to see what actions are right/cool/acceptable.

So lets talk about a different case now.
What do you do when it is a girl who AMOGs you?
First of all lets talk about girls and social proof. In a group with guys (actually even in all girl groups) more attractive girls automatically get more social proof. Therefore, if you are being AMOGed by one of the attractive girls of the group realize that the whole group is likely to go along with her. But you don't want to start really dissing a girl so what do you do???

First lets talk about AMOG strategies that are specific to females:
Patronizing compliment Examples "Oh aren't you cute", "He's funny", "I feel like you are the funny guy of this group". If these comments seem totally honest take them politely. If they are patronizing however, they have the potential to put you into a position of subservience to the girl. If you respond too positively to a patronizing comment it looks like she has total control of the group/makes you look desperate.

Interest/no interest Similar to the patronizing comments, girls will demonstrate then refrain from demonstrating interest in certain members of the group in order to gain control. Comments like "I like him more", "I liked you before you said that, now I like your friend" are all examples of this." I think you can see pretty easily how this could give the girl control if the guy plays into the game.
Of course girls can use all of the male AMOG strategies as well.

So a girl's AMOGing me what do I do?
Personally I would say that sarcasm, and cocky funny technique are the best responses. Remember, when a chick is AMOGing you the goal is not to crush her it is to neutralize and attract her. So when she says "aren't you cute" say something like "ya, I'm way out of your league" jokingly, or "awww shucks, thank you" sarcastically.

If she starts trying to use interest/no interest on you, agreeing or using it back on her seem to work best: "I used to like you now I like him more", respond "He's actually my hero" or say "that's good you can be friends with him, I'd rather be friends with your friend anyway" or something along those lines. These strategies should neutralize and attract female AMOGs.

The Our World Conspiracy
This is an AMOG strategy for teaming up with the AFOG (alpha female). Lets say you are in a group where you are the AMOG but theres an AFOG who is vying for your power. You start saying things to one girl such as "you're the only cool one here" and start pointing out flaws of the rest of the group. Hopefully, she joins in. Pretty soon you have created a team of AOGs (Alphas of the group). This group by being "separate" and "cool" is inherently higher value and attractive to the girl. It is a good strategy to deal with AMOFs.

The Other Our World Conspiracy
Lets say you are in the same group but this time instead of siding with the AMOF, you say to a girl in the group "you're the only cool one here", Then you start quietly chatting with this girl about how her friend's a jerk and totally leave the AMOF out. Again you have created an Our World Conspiracy which will both attract the girl you are talking to and neutralize the AFOG.

I think I'll write more later but for now I got to go. Sorry for the long post. Post any strategies for dealing with AFOGs/more strategies for AMOGs/ strategies on how to lead a group.
Let it burn.
Fiery[/i]

I ran into a 4 set latetly. I came back and passed the hook point, then about an hours later, a guy approch the set i'm in with the ''your hair are real?'' opener on the barbie girl in the group...

So new face, new things to say, i was starting to loose the group a bit, except for my first target... time to amog the PUA trying to get me away from the set.

Put my hand on his shoulder and asked him on wich phase is was now? i felt the akwardness of the moment ;p He replied me back he was on phase A2 ( trying to get the hook point of the set). I leaned back, put my arm around my target and telled him he was now on A3 because he was having compliance from me, but that he was having to go *now using a calm and playfull voice* because we were having fun before he arrived and that we were in the middle of a discution.
-Returning back to the conversation...

If the girls ask you why you did send away this guy, just reply that he was boring ;p

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I think im going to write about the inner game of being amoged/amoging next but first...ACE nice post. Perfect AMOG technique, you used behavioural analysis to embarass him, then created our world conspiracy with the group both to build connection with the target and to further embarass him. Anybody is free to write more FRs. I'll add another post later when I feel up to it.
-Fiery