so i got the # from a girl yesterday, and we talked for the 1st time today. everything went great, i had her talking about sex but it went left when she said she was a virgin. i know that my game (which is mostly C&F, and sexually charged conversation) isn't going to have the same effect on a target who hasn't ever experienced sex before. how do i go about this in the most effective way without having to marry her first?

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I've had a couple of virgins in my life. They are sexually curious, more so than people who've had sex. But they do want an investment, and they want pacing. So they won't let you have sex with them immediately, but they will let you do other things. And thats what you need to use to your advantage. Give them great oral sex, and they will start to crave the real thing sooner than later. They just need to know you'll stick around for a while.

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not really what i wanted to hear, but i guess you cant move very fast with virgins or they wouldn't be virgins.

another thing she threw me a shit test by telling me she's involved with someone already on a talking sort of level, i played it well an im guessing its a good sign.

now i just need to figure out how to get her to open up to the sexual some more(after handfulls of IOI's) any ideas?

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time my dude as a virgin expectually a girl your very guarded and u are really scared... just get her to feel COMFORTABLE, then slowly, but surely put the sexual gestures on her... if u do it right she will eventually bite and too bring on sex when u barely just know someone is a bit much... expectually if u don't know if there a sexual person...

Roger That!! im not the kind of guy to put a lot of time into comfort building( mostly cuz women want me to f*** them an i can read that) but this nice and slow approch is gonna be a learning experience

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Every girl is different, so I can't say this with full authority. But as quite a few of my friends are virgins, I can say that I know none of them plan on losing their virginity unless they are in a relationship. ((That said one of my close friends lost her virginity to a guy she meet in a week, but they ended up being in a relationship after anyways that lasted for 4 years.)) That said I don't hang out with party girls, but as time lines go. I'd say that the low end of the range it might take a month or two to get her feel comfortable enough with you to have sex. Once you've invested that much time in her you're going to be in relationship zone. Is that something you're interested in with this girl? If not I would get out of there.

I think you going to a bit much... that might of been case with your friend, but just that situation... like I said COMFORT is going to be key... there is no timeline it will depend on her some people it takes a year some take a month... some u can get comfortable if ur good enough in weeks...

There are four weeks in a month, assuming that you mean weeks plural you probably mean more than two. Three weeks is almost a month, which if you noticed was on the low end of my spectrum. I said a month or two to a year. I think any girl who would give up her virginity to a guy she met two weeks ago is rare, and the girl he's talking about doesn't sound like the type. And if she was I doubt she would mention that she is a virgin. Girls who are looking for a quick lay aren't going to talk about their sexual inexperience. She may be the rare girl who is looking to give it up soon and often, and is honest about her sexual experience, but statistically that seems unlikely. Especially if she is even mildly attractive.

Who knows you may have the exception, but girls are that are exceptions are just that exceptions.

you both make interesting points and @agent i hope it dosent take that long, cuz ima fast worker. but she gives me Tons of IOI's like asking if i think she's right for me, she pretty much lets me control frame at all times(in which i would usually go in for the kill or F*** in this case)but i feel like a cautious approch would be best. i like what Truth had to say about building comfort which i made big progress with today with a quick phone call. but a relationship seems inevitable, unless i just wanna be that asshole, who steals her innocence and that's not cool.

oh BTW she has a sexual past that she's not comfortable talking to me about yet but that has to mean someone's been warming the slot, which should make it easy for me to hit the JACKPOT

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Just because she's giving you IOI's out the wazoo and maybe even wants to sleep with you doesn't mean you should.

Think of it this way. If I knew a guy liked me would I be right to have him pay for my dinner take me out to fancy restaurants and show off to all my friends, but never have sex with him. hell I even sort of promised it to him with my body language and maybe even once said I would, or got him all hot and bothered. But in the end I decide. Well let's just be friends?

That doesn't sound very ethical to me.

I don't think having random encounters with other girls who have experience and probably a bunch of other guys waiting around if you're not interested is the worst sin in the world.

But if this is her first sexual act. I would make sure that she doesn't think it is anymore than it is, or else you've fuck-zoned her, the equivalent of friend-zoned her. If you are interested in just being friends with benefits I think you need to make it clear before you have sex that you're not interested in more. Theoretically if she's okay with that she'll still have sex with you right?

And if she wouldn't then that means that you were deceiving her however indirectly. And no woman likes to feel deceived into sex especially if it's her first time.

I'm not arguing against sleeping with her, or even against sleeping with her tomorrow. I am just arguing for ethical sleeping.

man agent you make it sound like im gonna use her and throw her out like a condom.
(im assuming your a female) I think every mans mind tells them if she throws you IOIs, thats all the reason to try and sleep with her. and this would be her first intercourse, not sexual act(wish i knew how far that goes) i wouldnt mind having her around, but im not the LTR type. and how ethical is "the Game" anyway? im 19 and the way i see it at this age, "you either play or be played" for me to tell her i only want to have sex would make me seem like kind of jerk.(i do want sex but also a friend)

what im saying is, im trying to have sex with her, after she feels comfortable with the idea of making me her first, and ill still call her the next day

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I realize I cam across a little harshly in my post. I'm sorry I wasn't thinking, or rather I was thinking about soceities stereotypes about first times and not the reality.

I'm not saying that you should tell her, hey I don't care about you. What I am suggesting is that you be honest with her. If she asks you about a relationship, or if you care about this, or about if you're interested in her long-term and the answer is no, please say so.


You seem like a good guy though, and I really don't mean to lecture you. It sounds like things will work out for both of you, and it sounds like you are both having fun.

agreed!!!! im going to meet up with her rite now, and im going to let her know that we should just enjoy each others company for what it is, and if that leads to sex down the road...than hey! but if not, she's still a really cool chick, an i should respect her choice to hang on to her v-card as long as she did

thanks for the input its nice to have a females perspective

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just an update:


i let her know that i want to respect her decision to remain a virgin until she's married, i told her i thought she was real cool and super cute, but we should just be friends because i look for more of a physical when dealing with relationships. she thanked me for respecting her decision, and i told her we should still kick it every now and then.

im hoping this is a DHV, if not than i just shot my self let me know what you think please

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Fuck-zoned? Fuck-zoned?! That's hilarious! Is there a FPUA site? But I digress.

suavaye`, if you're using a sexually charged kind of game, I don't see why a virgin wouldn't appreciate it. Virgins can be very sensitive, sexually, and depending on age, many virgins feel like they're missing out as their friends all make the leap. If you're confident in your skills, your game should be the same. She's still a sexually responsive woman. Don't kid yourself, women love sex, this virgin feels the burden of her virginity every time she gets close. Just remember, contrary to Christian and Puritanical belief, sex does not take anything from a woman. It's a shared experience that builds intimacy and pleasure between a man and a woman, where neither is less of a person for the act (usually the opposite). You are giving this girl a gift. Stop seeing this girl as little barrier of skin and focus on why you wanted her in the first place.