More times than I care to count I'll be out with a client coaching him and he will be approaching nothing but average chicks...even after they told me beforehand they want to start getting hotter chicks.

You want to start sleeping with hotter girls? Start approaching hotter girls!

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LOL, but u can't just start with hot girls... u have to find yourself, establish yourself get comfortable with approaching girls, find your confident, and realize girls are just girls and a hotter one should not be put above anyone... especially not yourself...

Thats all limiting beliefs that will hold you back. Of course you can start with hot girls!

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yeah you do have to get comfortable with girls, HOT girls! if you start with hot girls, and you game good on them (8's,9's), 10's will follow.

if you want hotter, you turn up the heat, you improve your game.

becoming comfortable with opening hotties will also make opening average easy.

plus the worst thing to happen with a hot girl is the same thing as if with an average girl.

and, if your gonna go pickup girls, might as well be hot. we dont have that long on earth to get used to average girls.

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if you start with hot girls, ugly girls will become easier to get

so true, so simple, HB 7-10, not all that much difference in what you need to do. I understand building confidence, but what will build more confidence, picking up 10 1's or 1 10. Quality builds my confidence more than quantity.

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LMAO, you guys kill me what will crash your confidence more being turned down by a 10 or a 1... another thing is half of the people who start have AA so u think they will want to approach a 10 off the bat? uhm NO... last thing to end this topic you think the 10 is going to be a good game starter for comfort, and to experiment on... probably not most of the times when I pulled 10's I was on top of my game not at beginner level, u gotta know how to tame the beast..

nah mate, my confidence isn't shaken by a bit of a fail, it's just I get a boost when I pull a 10. I think if you apply the skills right the most attractive girls are just as easy as the ugly ones. But that's just the way I feel.

Need to learn how to tame the beast? come on man, house cats or tigers, it's all pussy

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Start with hot girls, they're easier. Honestly, you'd be surprised.

'The Game' and all the theory that is being discussed on this forum is not for picking up that average HB6 that hangs around with HB4 and HB5 in the corner of some sports bar. It'll work against you, because that's not what it's for.

'The Game' and all the theory is for picking up HB8 - HB10. The higher up the HB-scale you get, the better negs, abundance mindset, etcetera will work for you. If you learn and adapt your game from HB6s, you'll learn to do things that will work against you when moving up the ladder, and you'll have to recalibrate again and again, including many fuck-ups that simply didn't have to happen.

"establish yourself get comfortable with approaching girls, find your confident, and realize girls are just girls and a hotter one should not be put above anyone... especially not yourself..."

I know I might get scolded for this on a PUA-forum, but how about next time you see a hot girl, try and approach her, and aim for / go into the friend zone so deep she'll start mistaking you for her brother. Becoming good friends with a few HB10s might just solve that problem. I got 2 HB9s when I first started gaming. Worked really well. Not just for reducing my 'fear' of hot girls, but also got me some pretty good social proof / pivots. (+You have no fucking idea how easy it is to get into the friend-zone. You should still stay in control though, don't become one of her many satellites.)


So basically, start approaching the hottest girls you can find. You'll learn much more and much better. If you're not comfortable yet, still approach the hottest girl, but go friend-zone.

Good luck,
-Valley

Edit: Maximum of 2 girls when it comes to aiming for the friend zone. If that's not enough to take your 'fear' away, then stop being such a wimp, man the fuck up and start trying to close some hot girls.

interesting post Zero, good point, by befriending 10s, 9s do become pretty easy. but to get 10s I find making friends isn't that important. It seems more about DHVing and negging is really important.

But very interesting post regarding 9s. Nice attitude too, I think anyways.

No One Chick is worth more than you,

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Maybe in your own mind.

But if she is better educated, has a better career, a higher net worth, a better sense of humor, more friends, better physical appearance, better emotional balance, etc . . . .

then I'd have to say that she is worth more than you.

Yeh man, I do get where you're coming from, and I used to feel the same way.
But i'm a decent looking guy, I have a few jobs which I love, I earn good money, I have more confidence and drive than most girls, and this has lead me to actually wanting a girl of a "perceived" higher value.

Personally, I don't believe any human being is worth more, or less than any other. I believe we all have our strengths, and our weaknesses, and that sometimes, perceived weaknesses are actually our strengths.

Unfortunately, my fear of gold digging sluts, has forced me to only be involved with girls that earn more money than me, and are better looking than me in the traditional sense.

It's a bitch, but I just don't trust girls that i think could be getting something out of being with me, other than great sex and great conversation. It probably limits my game. But hey, we all have weaknesses to go with our strengths.

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Hot girls tend to get hit on a lot less by average guys in a club (in the uk) because of fear of rejection and being made a fool of. I found these girls actually want someone to talk too! Thats why AMOGs who are pissed up tend to cock block. You'd be suprised if you approach them "under the radar" how easy it is to pick them up!

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Really? So you desire fat ugly girls just as much as you desire beautiful girls? All this fruity, kumbaya stuff was relevant in the 60's simply due to its shock factor with the 50's as a backdrop. Now . . . well, it's the fucking "Emperors robe".

Who teaches you kids these things? Guys, improve yourselves and INCREASE your value. This is EXACTLY the way the World perceives you. A girl WILL in fact gauge your value and whether it's done on a conscious level or not, she will drop you like a sack of potatoes for the guy who is WORTH MORE. Your boss will do this, schools do this, the guy who parks your car does this . . . the guy who tells you, "Oh . . . I believe all human beings are equal," WILL DO THIS over, over, and over again.

Hell, the zen Buddhist monk who meditates in a cave all year long will do this.