So here's the deal, I'm 19, in a fraternity, surrounded by a bunch of HBs in my daily life and I can't seem to ever get passed the friend zone.

I've had a bunch of people tell me that I'm the best friend they've ever had because I'm considerate and I actually DO have solid morals. I'm the kind of guy that girls in relationships with assholes talk about wanting, I'm just a down to earth, good guy.

I don't have any approach anxiety to speak of, and I don't have a problem making conversation to complete strangers or girls that I open. My biggest problem is that no matter what I say or do, I don't feel like I'm ever viewed as more than a friend from the second I meet someone new. I'm not bad looking at all (5'9", athletic and all around good figure.), but I just feel like there is never any sense of attraction. Maybe I'm missing the IOI's?

But I can't figure out what my problem is. Does anyone have any insight?

I'm dying for change at this point

It is quite hard to tell since you actually don't give any concrete examples, but may it be that you're using too little kino? Or is it something like you can't focus on getting the target, or do you even pick a target?

Give us a field report, and I'm sure there'll be quite a few knowing how to help you.

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I hear ya, and it's frustrating

Google the 'gunwitch' method. it basically covers exactly what you're having troubles with

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Oceanborn,

you are escalating too slowly. By doing this you are either ending up as just a friend, or the target loses interest.

You have to spark the attraction by kino escalating, negging, disqualifying and demonstrating higher value.

When you've properly sparked the attraction, THEN you can go back to being the regular guy that you are and just build comfort.

I suggest Vin Di Carlo's and the Gunwitch Method. Read them and you'll get my point.

Good luck

I think this might be the major source of my problems. I'll be sure to get out a bit and bring some field reports back.

Thanks for your responses guys.