Hello all! I am new to the forum, but I have been browsing all week. Lots of good info, and psychology based routines, pick up techniques etc. I used to be a mostly AFC. Thru years of trial and error, Im not much anymore, the only problem I would say I have is just cold approaching women. If it’s a friend of a friend, etc. im good to go, but just walking up to a total stranger im not so good at.

Anyway, im currently working game on a HB9. A good friend of mines, girlfriends sister. She came onto me, we hung out a few times, I kc’d last weekend. Problem=she has a bf. Now, I don’t go chasing after taken girls, but as far as im concerned, if shes after me.. game on.

What do you pua’s think about using the “friend zone” in reverse?? By that I mean, for example, I texted her a few days ago, and asked her to come out to check out a new restaurant today.. my plan is when i confirm today, to say "whats up drinking buddy, still coming out?"

wouldn’t this confuse her, in a good way, making her think I just see her as a friend, and make her try harder to be the opposite? Thanks.. and great forum!! Some good advice even for guys like me not in college anymore.

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"dont ever make someone a priority, when you are just an option"

same here.. i cant approach a total stranger unless i'm high or on the dancefloor with my fren as they are kinda like my confidence. lol

but a friend's friend is no problem.



seems like we both have AA.

I dont think she is gonna have that bf for long haha

Personally I wouldn't do it your way cz I'm having a feeling she just likes having fun with you and you inviting her to "officially" hang out with her would put unnecessary pressure on her. Instead I would do some bf destroyer like, you are such a bad influence on her and you don't wanna break that nice guy heart by having fun with you.

Just research BF destroyers, and try it out if you like em.

Cheers

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V3nu

thanks for the advice.. well she ended up not coming out.. it was a legit reason, so im not thinking she flaked. BUT i will be letting her make the next contact.. no more pressure from me.

shes what i would describe as a "good" bad girl lol.. shes pretty straight forward, dosnt seem to be into games or being shady. but she does like to have fun, and isnt afraid to admit it. she already said she is the kind of girl that always has a BF. soooo? well see i guess!

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"dont ever make someone a priority, when you are just an option"

I have a good boyfriend breaker routine however it's very immoral and can be quite manipulative.

Your question on reversing the "LJBF" line, I see no problem with that if girls have the right to say it then I see no reason why we shouldn't. However, think about it on this one, saying "LJBF" could higher your value greatly in her eyes considering she is a 9 but it can totally blow you off. She has a bf to go back to at the end of the day so will she care? Lust lasts for a few days then goes away.

In my opinion, if she does have a "lust" for you then I would use this time to take advantage of it before it runs out. My boyfriend breaker routine is basically find some excuse to get into her house, for example.. "hey I was walking to my friends and I remembered your house is on the way there.. anychance I could pop in for 2 minutes and get a photo of me in that hat you had?" it's sophisticated which is attractive and you have explained you're only going to be there for 2 minutes so it should be fine in her eyes.

Whilst your in, generate some kino such as getting her to move the hat round on your head etc give some kino back and generate up to the kiss stage. At that time, push her away and say "look, your a really nice girl and I know I'll be kicking myself by saying this but I can't do this because you have a boyfriend.."

Her reaction would be totally surprised because she was taken off guard however what you said "i would be kicking myself for saying this" is, in her mind, she's qualified to kiss you but because of her boyfriend you can't. The lust will be heightened to the point where she will have to make a choice and hopefully.. she will reconsider her boyfriend.

However, whilst this method is very powerful it can be very manipulative, if you have any sort of morals behind this then value them. I'd hate to think I made you feel like a cunt by influencing your decision on this.

Good luck
Happy Gaming
AFCCoffee

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"At the end of the day these are women's lives we're dealing with, not mere entertainment."

"We are what we repeatedly do. excellence therefore is a habit and not an act."

How about this scenario, true and ridiculous as it may seem in my life SPAM..

You meet a girl in school, see her almost every day. You hit it off so well over the months that you actually become nearly best friends and people always say "you guys are like brother and sister." This was the first time I've actually flirted without knowing it, no predispositions or motives it just happened naturally and you happen to be a PUA. Now let's say there have been two nights in which you hooked up while the boyfriend was asleep in the other room (already reaching immoral levels now.) Normally, this would be a hands-off, stop this now cause it will only cause problems situation. However, although I may have been living the single PUA life the past year (successfully) what happens when you think this situation is legit between the two of you and even though you are chill with the BF, you would rather this progress into something more exciting, maybe a bit more serious. Thoughts please?

Post it in the sticking points section and we may answer

AFCCoffee

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"At the end of the day these are women's lives we're dealing with, not mere entertainment."

"We are what we repeatedly do. excellence therefore is a habit and not an act."