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- 'Hi, I'm [X celebrity]'
- smile...pause...'insert comment here'
great! adding them to my mental list of defaults

I like Jeffy's "Hi, I'm Jeffy and I'm an asshole"

Inspired by Ezo, I'm going to try opening with nothing but a smile and stare eye contact. I'd image a few "what?" giggle "whhaaat?" then reply with YES i win! "whhaaat?" staring contest silly, you suck! -push-
or just walk away and say 'im watching you' in a sinister way. Then reopen her later

I really hate going overboard on openers, they don't need to be a show. Good stuff, anything basic is great.

The guy who said it would only work if your good looking... you're wrong on so many levels, and this coming from a strikingly attractive male specimen, so it's not some form of delusional wishful thinking. I'm serious, confidence and composure are what count in terms of first impression.

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Anything can break the ice, but as far as quality of openers go, these are pretty lame.
No, it's neutral. If it comes out lame, YOU ARE LAME.

This is an opener that is nothing special. That means, what is left, is YOU. You can make it whatever you want - that's why we were talking about Joey off Friends, he says "How YOU doin?" in his own positive way, the words are not important.

That's why it's a great testing bed. Basically if you get shot down with any degree of frequency with this opener, then you need more inner game work.

Personally I expect maybe 2 bad responses out of every 10 with a "What you up to / Where you going / What you shopping for / Hi my name is X" type opener, and that percentage would be mainly circumstantial (eg. the girl is in a shitty mood or it's not the right time/place, or possibly I'm not quite up right on top of my game in that moment)
What I do is try to get her to talk about things and then try and lead into a flirty conversation from that, it's the best way. No routines, just you.


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The guy who said it would only work if your good looking... you're wrong on so many levels, and this coming from a strikingly attractive male specimen, so it's not some form of delusional wishful thinking. I'm serious, confidence and composure are what count in terms of first impression.
Agreed. I get told I'm good looking all the time, and I get lots of looks from girls in a crowd, but if I open my mouth and I'm feeling insecure, I get shot down STRAIGHT AWAY.

And yet there are guys so much more ugly, fat, etc. than me doing well with girls, even examples of ones doing EXTREMELY well - it's all across the board - I've seen enough ugly and good looking guys doing well or badly to know that it's completely unrelated, for girls. Only guys put good looks so highly. Girls have it tough there.

So basically if you get a girl's attention and are confident, it really doesn't matter what you look like, for 99 percent of you out there who are lucky enough not to be grotesquely physically deformed. Don't undersell yourself.


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I figured that's all inner game was. Acceptance of self. Acceptance of shortcomings, advantages, and who you are, and how you were born, and what God has given you.

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- 'Hi, I'm [X celebrity]'

The guy who said it would only work if your good looking... you're wrong on so many levels, and this coming from a strikingly attractive male specimen, so it's not some form of delusional wishful thinking. I'm serious, confidence and composure are what count in terms of first impression.
no man.. you just aren't understanding.. The whole point of a GOOD pick up line, is that you want to say something different and genuine and at the same time sounds interesting not interested... this doesn't mean that you say something interesting, just act interesting.. BE DIFFERENT..

that doesn't mean that "hi how r u" doesn't work.. it just assumes a reason that they'd want to speak to you. If your an ugly guy, 1/6 girls inthe club would positively respond to this. If your a good looking guy, probably 4-5 girls would positively respond..


Don't talk about ugly/fat guys getting girls.. From pubescent days, ugly/fat guys have learned that getting a girl is nothing but a numbers game for them.. Go out with an ugly guy that gets girls and a good looking guy that gets girls.. They'll probably get the same amount of girls, its just the ugly guys hits on 20 while the good looking guy hits on 3...

anyways.. when talking about pick up lines, you want something interesting enough that even an ugly guy can say it and it will still get attention..

ANYTHING CAN BE A PICK UP LINE.. BUT NOT ANYTHING CAN BE A GOOD PICK UP LINE..


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- 'Hi, I'm [X celebrity]'

The guy who said it would only work if your good looking... you're wrong on so many levels, and this coming from a strikingly attractive male specimen, so it's not some form of delusional wishful thinking. I'm serious, confidence and composure are what count in terms of first impression.
no man.. you just aren't understanding.. The whole point of a GOOD pick up line, is that you want to say something different and genuine and at the same time sounds interesting not interested... this doesn't mean that you say something interesting, just act interesting.. BE DIFFERENT..

that doesn't mean that "hi how r u" doesn't work.. it just assumes a reason that they'd want to speak to you. If your an ugly guy, 1/6 girls inthe club would positively respond to this. If your a good looking guy, probably 4-5 girls would positively respond..


Don't talk about ugly/fat guys getting girls.. From pubescent days, ugly/fat guys have learned that getting a girl is nothing but a numbers game for them.. Go out with an ugly guy that gets girls and a good looking guy that gets girls.. They'll probably get the same amount of girls, its just the ugly guys hits on 20 while the good looking guy hits on 3... the ugly guy has that "i need to prove to the whole world that I am the man" mentality that good looking guys never really needed to develop... they have killer inner game..

anyways.. when talking about pick up lines, you want something interesting enough that even an ugly guy can say it and it will still get attention..

ANYTHING CAN BE A PICK UP LINE.. BUT NOT ANYTHING CAN BE A GOOD PICK UP LINE..


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no man.. you just aren't understanding.. The whole point of a GOOD pick up line, is that you want to say something different and genuine and at the same time sounds interesting not interested... this doesn't mean that you say something interesting, just act interesting.. BE DIFFERENT..

that doesn't mean that "hi how r u" doesn't work.. it just assumes a reason that they'd want to speak to you. If your an ugly guy, 1/6 girls inthe club would positively respond to this. If your a good looking guy, probably 4-5 girls would positively respond..


Don't talk about ugly/fat guys getting girls.. From pubescent days, ugly/fat guys have learned that getting a girl is nothing but a numbers game for them.. Go out with an ugly guy that gets girls and a good looking guy that gets girls.. They'll probably get the same amount of girls, its just the ugly guys hits on 20 while the good looking guy hits on 3...

anyways.. when talking about pick up lines, you want something interesting enough that even an ugly guy can say it and it will still get attention..

ANYTHING CAN BE A PICK UP LINE.. BUT NOT ANYTHING CAN BE A GOOD PICK UP LINE..
First look at this: here-vp334980.html
This is all I'm going to say on the topic of the value of looks. We're done. enough said!


Pick up lines or openers or whatever you want to call them are grossly overrated by the PUA community, you don't need to make a huge scripted show to talk to a girl. The reason we put so much value into the opener is because it's directly tied in with AA (approach anxiety). By having "good" openers, we feel confident enough and trust the opener will attract the girl for us.

Even if you use the worlds best opener, a lot of girls will ignore you and throw a shit test at you, such as the classic 'wtf eyes' or the 'turns back to you'.

Now guys think "wtf? I just used this awesome opener that Mystery used and I got blown out right away! It must be me, I suck at this!"

Even if you used 'How you doinnn' you would have gotten the same response. So the opener doesn't matttttttter! its what you do next, and the next X number of hours that you're with this girl that matters SO MUCH MORE!

Easy peasy, you keep pushing, unfazed by her massive mental bitch slap that 99% of guys will run away from.
But NO! you're different, and don't give a shit about what silly screening process she uses.

---> Don't rely on openers or any other external factor, confidence has to come from within and not from
-your 'state'
-how good your opener is
-or that your favorite lady gaga song is playing.

So EVEN IF you get a positive response instead of a shit test:
e.g. you go through your awesome opinion opener that you've recited 100 times before, you've got emphasis on all the right words, pauses for anticipation, and BAM punch line, and the girl is laughing, nice! then you stack with whatever generic routine, you neg her, you kino her, etc. Your going through it like a robot, checking off a mental check list.


This isn't you, you're hiding behind a persona.


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I'm gonna let that marinate for a bit..

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Look, routines and canned material are great, especially during the first transformation from AFC to rAFC, then you start to drop a few here and there, and there's like a break in the clouds, and your real self starts peeking through.
It's just another step at improving your game.

Think about what PUA education is? It helps guys improve their chances with the ladies, right? sure. But optimally, in the long run, it changes a guy's life to becoming a true alpha male.. a 'natural', if you will.. but more of a robocop-type of natural, who has all this PUA knowledge and cornerstones he went through.

I'm not some guy preaching about how 'natural game' is the way to go, I'm far from it, my game is very technical in terms of inner game, and I still use a few routines here and there, I'd say on average about 1 to 2, depending on how long the set lasts, and it's usually later on during the rapport stage. I noticed it's also only when something triggers it.

example: She asks me about my ring, I take her hand, take my ring off and place it on a few of her fingers trying to make it fit, put two of her pinkies in, laugh, we're just playing with our hands, I give it to her, she sees which finger it looks best on me. During all this, I'll tell her a back story about how I didn't wear it one day, and cut myself exactly where I wear it (deep cut, show her the scar, she touches it.) How no one was around and I used tree sap to seal the cut. Then I'll recite the ring routine ( http://mpua.info/ring.html ).

During all this we're playing with our hands, and I'll even do 2 or three ring magic tricks, just when she's really into the routine, I'll stop and do the trick.
I just love this whole bit since it takes up like 20 minutes, it comes up so naturally and the whole thing is a real vibe with playful kino.

I'm getting off topic here.... anyway other than that I really don't use anything scripted (drink hustlers I'll do the 5 question game: http://mpua.info/5_questions.html)
other then THAT, I'm always my REAL self around girls, and, honestly, I have so much more fun improvising and just letting go, and with greater results. Cause what happens when you use up all your material? They start to see riggghhht through it!

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I agree with you on natural game 100 percent... it is the way to go.. i always go direct and i never use opinion openers cuz they're just not me..

as for the link.. i dont think thats true.. ya that guy will get lots of girls.. but becuase its out of pity.. they're not sexually attracted to him.. its not even physically possible to have sex with him.. Don't get me wrong. i respect that guy and anyone with physical/mental complications that tries to live a normal life. in fact i believe theres alot we can learn from them...

next time you go out.. try getting a non attractive friend to approach girls with the "hi, how r u doing" and you'll definately observe that it isn't nearly effective as when you use it.. the main argument was that "hi how r u dong" will only have a postive result if your good looking. By positive result i mean 4 good conversations out of every 6 attempted..


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Um, guys.

It's not that fucking difficult.

"Hi, how are you"...

...it's not the "hi, how are you", that makes it the best opener.
It's the way you CAN FRAME IT, to who YOU ARE, that makes it:

-Versatile
-Friendly and open-ended
-Stackable in any circumstance.

"Hi, how are you/Hey, nice to meet you/Hey, did you see the guy outside? He just got shot. Blood everywhere, and people are freakin out.

Don't give a fuck what you say, as long as you say it according to who YOU are).


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