When I first read this question, I thought it was absolutely ridiculous, but that's only because of the differences between our current frames of reality.

You currently have limiting beliefs about women involving their sexual practices. No, it isn't "low value" at all to date anyone you genuinely want to date. Look into Gunwitch (for information about your ego) and Johnny Soporno (for the right way to think about women and their sex lives).

Thanks man you helped a lot. Total respect.

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"They're playing groupie, so I'm playing rock star." (mystery)

Chief, what should a PUA do if he detects that a target is losing interest? Should I just make a move and hope the window hasn't closed yet, or try to alter my game a bit to show unpredictability and re-ignite some of the prior attraction before making a move? Neither, perhaps?

I'm on a college campus and the breaks have a way of coming around and screwing up my game just as I hit/near peak attraction.

The answer is abundance.

As long as you keep the ball rolling and have fun with an abundance of women in your life, you have the option of re-igniting most prior attraction you've had before with someone you've had a spark with before a school break or something.

After reading through the entire thread, it's one of the best things i've ever read on the internet. Is your location now in South Korea? Are you still heavily involved in PU and what is/are the most valuable thing(s) you're learning lately (or specifically since this thread last delved into deeper discussion).

[quote=""Hero""]After reading through the entire thread, it's one of the best things i've ever read on the internet. Is your location now in South Korea? Are you still heavily involved in PU and what is/are the most valuable thing(s) you're learning lately (or specifically since this thread last delved into deeper discussion).[/quote]
Thanks man, I'm flattered. We probably have similar pickup styles.

Yes, right now I'm in South Korea but I'm not as heavily involved as I used to be because I'm trying to focus more on my job and saving money. I have, of course, been learning more about pickup and women from my more recent experiences and meditations.

For example, I've realized that whether or not you are in the "friend zone" can be 100% controllable. All you need to do to avoid it is to just be sexual. It's just that simple. Any "Lets Just Be Friends" you get after you've sexualized is just token resistance. And, sometimes, you WANT to be in the friend zone with a girl if you aren't sexually attracted to her, in which case you should simply act friendly, kinda boring, and sexually neutral.

I've also learned that older women can magically transform into bouncy young girls if you possess the right frame.

I've also been assessing more of my strengths and weaknesses. My biggest strength is that I enjoy falling. I went snowboarding for the first time recently and I learned how to do it rather quickly. I learned fast because I wasn't afraid of falling. In fact, the wipe outs were the most fun part of it all! Sure, I was all bruised up the next day, but it sure was a blast. When I start talking to a woman I'm interested in, yeah sure I'll get hurt if she rejects me, but the interaction is still enjoyable to me. This is why I don't fear rejection. I'm not going to think like an egotistical misogynist and be all like "bitches aint shit and if one rejects me i there are plenty of better women out there than this skank!" That shit's gay.

Overall, though, I'd say that the most valuable lesson I've learned is that kino escalation is the most important aspect of pickup and seduction, bar none. Without kino, you have nothing. If you ONLY have smooth kino, you can have everything. Kino escalation paired with sexual tension building techniques are pretty damn potent.

Hey Chief

Wow man 20 years old and already expertly answering questions from 1000s of men around the globe. Know lots of people will always have respect for ya.

Right, enough ass kissing.
My question is might be abit in depth but would greatly appreciate you answering it.

You say that before you knew about pick up, you were having a tough time in school as a asian living in America. People will treat you different n you'll never really "fit in". I know this from personal experience n agree if you were white, you'd be no different from any average joe walking down the street. I mean if you grew up in Korea n me likewise in China then we probably never really understand the discrimination our people get in foreign countries. Maybe because you know whats it like to be "different" whether in the subconscious or otherwise, you have a natural tendencey to help your fellow man, to treat others how you would want them to treat you.

I look up to you man even though theres only like a 4 year gap between us n I want to get this area of my life sorted n get sooooo good at it, that il be able to teach men this around the world.

As we know, lifes not fair but pick up has been able to level the playing field n im so glad that I have stumbled across it. Funny what late night tv documentary can lead to

So Chief, do you think if we didnt have this togetherness, this kind of brotherhood, a sort of humanitarianism (had to spell check ), would Pick Up ever flourish into this amazing, beautiful "art"?

Seduction has been practiced like an aesthetically wondrous art long before the PUA/Seduction Community came along! Just look at historical figures like Casanova, for instance.

As long as there are men who see the real beauty in women, there will be pickup ARTISTS. The community just helps spread the love.

Chief, I'm plowing through a lot of sets. Majority of them, I get into the comfort zone with before I eject. Roughly 50% I kiss close, and all of them are left on a good high note. My problem is, once I call & text them to get them to hang out they always flake, or give excuses, say their busy, etc. Its confusing because at the same time their qualifying & jumping through hoops. Any advice on getting that d2?

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Can't become what you say you should have done.

If you want day 2s, then it's a lot better if you time bridge by making some day 2 plans during the day 1 (first time you meet).

You'll also decrease your flakes if you number close and try to day 2 only girls who you REALLY want to meet again. If the girl can tell that you really like her in a non-needy way, she'll like you better and be more keen on meeting you again.

Also, you should take her state into consideration. If you call her during the day, for example, she might be in a completely different emotional state than she was when she met you at the bar. While she's out at night, she might be all drunk, excited, horny, and generally motivated to have fun.

As an analogy, have you ever signed up for a gym membership? You were probably very excited to start working out and getting fit. However, some days you probably felt a very big lack of motivation to go to the gym. It's a similar feeling sometimes when girls are offered to go out on dates with guys she met before.

What you'll want to do is to contact her during a similar time of day/night as when you met her, and/or prime her to enter the same or similar state that she was in when she first met you by flirting with her first.

Have fun.

damn....I never really put any of that into consideration. You're the man Chief!

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Can't become what you say you should have done.

Hey Chief.

Sometimes I enter sets, when I'm working Indirect I notice that my target is completely eating up a guy who is already in set.

What are the basic principles to keep in mind when shifting her attention from the guy who she is tottaly into, onto myself?

Basically I'm finding it hard to demonstrate my frame/lead/escalate when the girl and the guy; unlike the rest of the set; are in my frame.

I normally don't go for girls who already have something good going on with another guy. Why mess up something good? If I were involved at all, I'd be winging the dude.

Otherwise, you can use standard AMOGing tactics! Tool the guy enough in front of the girl and you'll steal her off of him. I don't like doing that kinda stuff, but unfortunately it works.

hey chief what's up. so i've been in the game for a while now and i've had alot of success as a matter of fact i just got done f-closing a target about a half hour ago. anyway i have a few friends who need to get into the game lol just cuz they have little success with women. my question is how do i introduce them to the game without having them think less of me or do you think they will think its cool?

Unless they come to YOU for help, don't bother.
Most people don't have the right motivation to do this stuff.