whaddup, (1st Post). Im in college and last friday, a grl im interested in thats been in my class for the last 2years, layed it on pretty thick that she likes me and wants to hang out. So i called her over the weekend but i dumbassedly called at like 11pm, and she was sleeping. A few days later, in middle of class, i wandered over to her desk and smoothly said "hey... lets get outta here." She kinda chuckled and said she had to do her classwork (we were in the middle of class). I dont wanna come off as too needy and keep asking her to hang out or keep calling her bc she is busy a lot. But my first 2 attempts were very poorly timed. I feel like if i wait for her to come to me again, she could be just waiting for me to ask her out at a better time since she already came and told me she wants to hang out. I dont want her to lose interest or easily fall back into the friendzone since we've kinda known each other for a long time. I think its a good idea to keep throwing negs and dhv's, but i need help with DHV. Make her jealous? but i dont have any hot grl friends anymore, and i want to show preselection. Is staging a phone call around her fm an imaginary grl who "also wants to hang out" a bad idea if its done subtely. I dont wanna screw this up. How do I DHV, not fall into fz , and to ask again or be asked, and how?

Im no expert, but heres my advice and opinions.

Don't have to many conversations which would lead into the fz. Show that you have many girls that you could easily have. Talk yourself up and make up stories about previous girlfriends, etc.

If you think she already likes you, then you could try simply asking if she wants to go out sometime, see a movie or something. I know this is not pickup artist stuff but this is general relation behaviour. If you feel she already is attracted to you then I guess you just need to keep trying to progress and find the right time to do something. Don't forget there is never a perfect time, so the longer you wait the harder. Use lots of kino and try showing interest in her friends too.

This is just my thoughts on it, but I pretty much a AFC who's still learning.

woa so many questions...so few paragraph breaks. Don't write this girl an e-mail or you'll confuse the hell out of her. Anyway...

Let's see first question - How do I DHV?

Now I understand why the zealots get so angry with having to repeat the same thing in different posts. Here's an easy formula...you've been talking to her for a while so you should know some of her interests. Choose one and create a story that has to do with it and add in DHV. Example she loves puppies. Your friend's puppy was injured and she called you (you are a reliable friend DHV) and you cooly and calmy handled the situation and the dog is happy and healthy (You stay calm under pressure and get things done DHV)...something like that. If you need more specifics PM me.

next question - How do I not fall into FZ?

I don't think you are there yet so relax. Just make sure when you do take this girl out you don't act like a friend. Kino (Touch) her and look her in the eyes when she is speaking to you. Create a connection with her so that she knows you are interested, but she is the one that has to work to get you.

next - should I ask again?

Yes and no. You should tell her. "You are going to have an amazing weekend." Her "Why?" You "Because we are going to (insert date/party here)" If she continues to flake play it off like it's cool...you are going to be having fun and be the life of the party whether she comes or not.

Hopefully that helps.

Yea, I would just keep being interesting, and tell her cocky/ funny stories and stories with DHV spikes. And when you wana hang out with her, don't directly say "Hey, you want to go to a party this weekend?", instead say "Hey, me and some friends are goin to a party this weekend, and I was just seeing if you wanted to tag along."

thanks fellas, respec.

However, the problem is this: the whole DHV formula kinda doesnt work for me. Ive using that over the top as a way of being funny. For instance, when she says...

"why were you late?"

" I had to stop and save puppies from a exploding animal shelter." (with serious face)

So DHV stories like that will come off as me fake bragging to be funny. I realize now that i have Fd myself in the A; but the other responses to the questions were great.

thanks.

oh yea i forgot to mention, i dont know of any parties. i might be able to find one, but that still doenst get me alone with her. So what else can i do?

You say "Save your energy for this weekend you're gonna help me train for the most hardcore sport on the planet."

Then take her to the park and play frisbee. Throw her off a lil bit. She'll dig the suprise and you can have her alone.

Or when she meets you at the park give her a tiny water gun and without saying a word open fire on her with a massive bazooka of water terror(I would usually pre-emp this by telling her that we're going to be team white so dress appropriately, but this may end up getting you slapped if you don't read her well). If your smart you'll get to the park early give some lil kids ten bucks to hold the guns while you guys walk around and then have them bring em up to you.

Basically tell her one thing and then surprise her with something cool. But you're gonna hafta work on some DHV to get her to agree to the date first off.

Dude, that's an awesome idea, I'm going to try that sometime

You can use the same model I wrote above, except instead of party, insert something else. Like "Hey, I was thinking about going to the zoo this weekend if you wanna tag along"
And then if it went well don't mention anything hanging out the next day. Be like "Tomorrow I'm busy, but Saturday we should do this again" and then have her go through a loop like "Wanna go see blah blah movie?" if she says yes it's good, if she says no be like "Ok, what do you want to see then, little missy?" and whatever movie she says, say no. Then be like "fine, but I'll only see it if you buy my ticket", or something along those lines.